dairy farming pakistan

Dairy Farming in Pakistan

You will know why dairy farming is a good business, and what to look out for when you are starting out, because I am going to share some of my experiences (I was involved directly in dairy farming for three+ years).

dairy farming pakistan
My first hand experience starting a dairy farm here in Pakistan

Dairy Farming, especially in Pakistan, is a dream business for a lot of people. A lot of seasoned and would-be entrepreneurs have already jumped onto the Dairy Farming bandwagon in Pakistan, and even more so like to talk about getting into dairy farming.

This is the small scale dairy farming that a lot of people in Pakistan want. They arre searching for dairy farming business plans, and dairy farming feasibilities…but before we get to that, have you asked yourself this question, “why start a dairy farm?”

Why Start A Dairy Farm

Why did I start a dairy farm? Now, the simplest answer for many can be, “dairy farming is profitable,” that’s why.

Right?

Well, I started a dairy farm not because it was “profitable” on paper. Too many people simply read the SMEDA Dairy farming feasibility study, and decide that’s what they want to do. That’s now how I started.

Yours truly worked on a dairy farming project starting in June 2009. My interest was pretty much ‘academic’ at first; just knowing how the business and the animals operate. It was after almost a year of travelling in and around Punjab, meeting countless number of people in the field, discussing and debating with some very qualified dairy farming consultants and breeders, that I decided to dip my toes in this project.

I was interested in quite a few facets of Dairy Farming:

  1. The Dairy Farming Business Model: Dairy farming has a very unique business model, and no other business has the capability of multiplying its assets while still producing revenue. Remarkable.
  2. The Current Situation: One of many lessons that Richard Branson has taught me is that you should get into a business where you think you can do better. Dairy farming, I knew, had a very, very large room for improvement (it still does!).
  3. A Very Solid Demand: A lot of businesses and entrepreneurs would consider a ‘demand’ for something a good enough reason to get into any project. But for me, dairy farming is not only the demand of the market, but also a need. People need healthy, quality milk (and meat). It fits in with the idea of for-profit philanthropy where I stand a chance of actually helping people out, and earning prayers as well as profits. Now that’s an inspiration!
  4. Super Integration: This was not vertical integration as much as it was super integration. I already have two independent projects, one agriculture farming and the other is milk supply within Lahore, Alhumdulillah. The dairy farm has the potential of sitting in very nicely between the two, and providing wholesome integration. Although integration of any two businesses, much less three, is a pain in the neck (amongst other body parts), dairy farming provides me with the perfect long-term inspiration for working on these three projects!

Warning: Know This Before You Start Dairy Farming

Most of the things people say, they just say them without much thought. They’d discourage you from doing anything different. I for one won’t do that. And having said that, following are the main points – so far – that should be considered when starting your own dairy farm:

1. Dairy Farming is a long term project.

There are no two ways about it. The time when you actually start seeing profits, IF a lot of things go right, is at least three years, usually five years. If you start taking out profits from it before three years, be prepared to inject more money in to it afterwards. But the upside to this remarkable business model is best explained by the following example that I frequently give to my friends and would-be entrepreneurs:

  • I start a shoe shop, selling shows. You start a dairy farm, selling milk.
  • After three years, if both of us do well in our businesses, I’d be richer than you.
  • After six years, I’d have five branches all over the city, and will still be richer than you. You’d have great cash flows but you will find it hard to beat my retail outlets.
  • Ten years later, it won’t matter how good I am doing, you will be much richer than me, in terms of assets, and most importantly, in terms of cash in hand.
  • After 10 years, no business seem to even come close to the almost logarithmic growth of a dairy farm.

So if you can train yourself to actually think slow and steady, rather than fast and wobbly, then dairy farming is definitely something to consider.

2. The Most Important Factor is Currently the Hardest

The hardest part of setting up a dairy farm is the procurement of good-quality, high-yielding, environment-hardened animals. This is also the most important activity for an owner of a dairy farm.

Buying high milk producing cows and milking buffalo is not easy and one of the most difficult things in the dairy business. 

You can go for imported cows, but I did not and I recommend that you don’t either.

A lot of people will tell you that you shouldn’t because they are expensive. I want you to know that imported cows are not expensive. If you are paying 140,000 (PKR) for a cross-bred cow, then paying 180,000 for an imported cow does not make the cow ‘expensive expensive’, it just makes it ‘relatively expensive’. And your target is not to increase the number of heads, but to increase the number of liters of milk. So an imported cow averaging 25 to 30 liters per lactation is much better than a cross-bred cow averaging 14 to 18 liters per lactation. The ROI is just plain and simple and you should stop listening to people who tell you otherwise.

But that’s not the reason why you should not get imported cows. The number one problem with imported cows is that they are unable to withstand the blast of heat of the Pakistani summers. Setting up the right infrastructure is essential, but that is not the only thing that you’d have to look into. There is disease and the very little margin of error that the imported cows give to you and your management.

I would suggest you do what I did; find good-quality locally bred cows, make sure that your dairy farm shed and cooling infrastructure is very much in place and then run the farm for at least a year to gauge how well your infrastructure (shed, cooling etc) is handling your locally-bred cows.

But that brings me back to the main point: finding high-quality locally bred cows is the hardest thing you’d have to do. It is also the MOST IMPORTANT thing for any dairy farm. As I have repeated this repeatedly (!!), a dairy farm’s main function is to procure and breed good-quality cows. The milk is a by product of that main function.

A Dairy Farm’s Main Business is to Procure and Breed Quality Cows and Buffalo.

So be prepared to hunt down good cows and buffalo wherever you can find them. I remember travelling a total of 2000 kms plus, by road, all over Punjab, in one week, just to see and meet cow breeders. I didn’t pay half as much attention to the shed that I was constructing, or even the silage pits that were being prepared at the time, because purchasing the right animals is that one 20% activity that gives more than 80% of the result.

3. Finding the right people

Finding the right person to manage your dairy farm is also something to pay VERY close attention to. Stealing milk is very easy. If you do not trust the person who is managing the farm, then that’s a losing proposition. You should pray that God helps you find that person. You can also start with a solid attitude of trust, of reward and of accountability. I can write quite a few things on how to deal with people, because that is ALL of this is about, but suffice it to say for now, that one of the hardest things to do in dairy farming – just like in any other business – is to find the right people to manage and carry your dairy farm forward.

Details of who’s who and how many people should do what activity, those things are not the scope of this article and may be covered/posted later, God willing.

Finding dairy farming technical help like that of vets and professional consults for animal feeding etc is NOT a problem, especially here in Pakistan. That is again one of the benefits of dairy farming, that the infrastructure that only a government can provide, is ALREADY IN PLACE in Pakistan. Sure there are problems, but it is good enough for you to not complain and get some work done.

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This is just a run down of my thoughts on dairy farming and some – just some – of the pitfalls that you should look out for. By God’s Grace, my dairy farm was operational for about 4 months when I first wrote these thoughts and I am happy that I started this dairy business.

God guide and bless us all. Good luck to you in your conquests and queries.

Thanks to the overwhelming response and feedback on this post, I am happy to report that the dairy farming guide is available for download.

You can know more about it and purchase it if you are serious about starting a profitable dairy farm business.

dairy farming guide by momekh

Thanks. And God bless.

NOTE: Some friends and readers think I started selling milk because I had a dairy farm! That’s absolutely not true. Selling milk is different, producing milk is different. Both are completely two separate, very distinct businesses.

I sold milk (built a brand, and we were Alhumdulillah profitable in the first month) in Lahore. This dairy farm – along with crops – were 3 hours away from Lahore, in District Pakpatttan. Two different businesses, two different teams, two different operations.

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  1. hi salam,
    really appreciate your effort on this topic….its really helpfull and i am really interested in this business but need some more facts and figures about this business…it would be more helpful if i can have a word with you about some ambiguities….it would be great if i can have your contact number or email so i can contact you directly….. you can even send’em at my email add.. [email protected]
    many thnx

    1. Hey Danish,
      Do ask your questions here so more and more people can benefit from our discussion, God willing.
      And thank you for the appreciation. πŸ™‚

  2. Good article
    Were you having any experience of diary farming before? I dont have any, still I am interested to do this business
    How to diffrentiate between good animal from an average, does it have some in special marking
    You travelled 2000Km to get good animals, which area/who has good animals
    Regards
    Haider

    1. Thanks Haider Yar.
      I did not have any experience in dairy farming before starting this project. But like I mention above, I did spend ‘more than usual’ time in meeting people from different farms etc.
      In all the travels in the last odd two years (!!), I have found a great resource for buffalos in Mr Malik Hanif (he is a five time Presidential award winner in buffalo breeding!). He was very helpful in teaching me the attitude towards dairy farming. And he is an unconventional as they come (You can read more about Malik Hanif by clicking here).
      There are few things to look out for in a good animal, and most of them are visual. For cows, for example, I’d look at the height of the animal, the bone structure, and udder placement. There are other factors as well, depending on which breed you are looking at, is the animal high-blood etc. And also to note, I don’t know much about breed identification.
      In terms of areas for good animals, there are famous areas, but that doesn’t mean you’d get good animals from there. You’d have to search. I have a cow in my herd that I bought from a ‘travelling salesman’, and the cow was very cheap and gives a good average of milk. But for cross-bred cows, Sargodha is somewhat famous, but I still have to find a good cow there! :/

  3. Hey I was wondering if you can answer my question. If some one had 50 cows/buffalos and they were producing 12-14 litres of milk how much profit would a person have in hand at the end of the year, just give me a round figure

    1. To give you a ‘very’ round figure, let’s factor in two months of dry period in a year. So that’s 10 months (around 310 days) of lactation.
      And that’s 310 (days) x 13 (liters) x 35 (Rupees per liter) x 50 (cows). That’s a lot of money. πŸ™‚
      Also note, buffalo do not give 12 – 14 liters average over a lactation. The average is around 7 to 8 liters. That’s why no one suggests keeping buffalo. But then there are people who have focused on ‘breed’ and gotten an average of ABOVE 18 liters over a lactation, from Buffalo! Read my post on the Unicorn Breeder to read about people already living the unconventional lifestyle! πŸ™‚ (and reaping the benefits mashAllah)

      1. i want to start a new business with 2500000 amount please guide me because i cant understand what we doing.

        1. if u want to start business in Dairy farming in partnership ,i offer you to participate with me having own land and yard (catles Haveli ) toward Kasur City near ferozepur road.

  4. assalamo alaikum:

    I found your blog a great resource as I develop my dairy farm in my mind.

    As far as land for housing the cows goes, did you lease or buy the land ?

    Do you think this business serves itself to an investor-worker model i.e. where the investor provides funding and the worker setups the farm? I ask because I live overseas ?

    Thanks,

    Irfan

    1. Thank you for appreciating the blog! Hope you share it with your friends on Facebook etc…

      No, I don’t own any land :/ I have leased it out. But Alhumhulillah, I have been involved in farming for quite some time now (see my projects to get an idea).

      And yes, the business can work on the model that you so eloquently defined. In fact, to a large extent, that is how I recommend doing any business (owning it instead of running it). I have written an article on the business model that I recommend (read it by clicking here). A lot of things need to be looked into, but it is very much possible, and much, much more profitable (not only in terms of ‘more money’, but in terms of ‘more time’ as well!)

  5. Assalamo alaikum,

    Thanks for your succinct response.

    I tried to contact Racchna consultants (mentioned by you in one of your blogs), but did not get a response.

    Do you have any other recommendations ?

    Irfan

    1. The reason I don’t have any other recommendations for ‘locally bred’ cows is that I have tried a few ‘mandees‘ (open markets). I wouldn’t recommend going through the markets, especially for someone who is new. I learned the hard way that it is very easy to be fooled by the ‘experts’ that are dime a dozen at these markets/’mandees‘…

      For imported cows, I’d suggest ProFarm. Ask for Joachim (he is the owner, from Netherlands). Great guy – he gave me a good 15 minute presentation on cow management that was pure gold! I have not used their services as of yet though. Good luck!

      Check Out this dairy farming in Pakistan section for regularly updated lists of dairy farms and vendors… you can share your experience there too. (that section is a work in progress right now, but I am working on it inshAllah).

  6. assalamo alaikum,

    I did receive a response from Mr Naeem, thanks.

    1) Could you share your thoughts on the concept of ‘turn-key’ dairy farms ? I think this may have to do with ‘owning’ vs ‘running’ a farm.

    I apologize if my questions are taking too much of your time.

    Thanks,

    Irfan

    1. Hey, you are not taking my time, Irfan! I’d like nothing more if I could help you in starting a business off the ground!

      Personally, I think turn-key type projects ‘can’ work. It does depend a lot on the team you employ.

      For example, I used my own team to set up the small dairy farm. That in a way can be thought of as turn-key (i.e. I outsourced it ‘within’ my tiny organization)…

      Am I making sense? :/

      P.S. Do check out the Dairy Farming section that I have put up … some interesting conversation/discussion going on there. πŸ™‚ God bless and Good luck man!

  7. Asslam U Alaiqum:
    Your blog is awesome and very helpful for them who are much interested in this business, i also like it very much can u tell me how much money we need to start dairy farming? and plz do tell me if i need to meet a person who give all information about dairy farming how can i meet that person?
    Regards

    1. Dear Ashraf,
      Small world? I have visited your dairy farm twice, near Baseerpur, right? Have met with Saif there… you’ve really done up the place!
      Welcome to LifeETC! Your contributions towards dairy farming in Pakistan will more helpful at the special section (click here).

  8. I have established one dairy farm at Chunian. just added 35 Crossed fresian heifers. want to go for more 75+100 heifers +50 cow. i have added two 100% fresian male two months old but these just died 15 days back. i want some guide lines to reconstruct dairy shed. it is concluded shed is not supporting to tackle heat effects on the fresian breed. your kind advise will be highly appreciated

  9. Dear Friends,
    This is our official contact point… Please free to contact…
    Regards,
    MAK Dairy Farms

    1. thanks for your message.

      according to my calculations, I still am short of capital and will have to wait some time before diving in to this business. I think it is critical to have the funding aspect well covered before starting up, because otherwise the chances of success are less.

      Irfan

  10. Asslam U Alaiqum:
    I Asked u Something 2 or 3 days ago that can u tell me how much money we need to start dairy farming with 30 or 40 Cow or buffalow? and plz do tell me if i need to meet a person who give all information about dairy farming how can i meet that person?
    Regards

    1. A detailed breakdown of the cost of a dairy farm can be found at SMEDA’s website. Small and Medium Enterprise Development Authority (SMEDA) has a very well-received PDF document on dairy farm feasibility (for 25 and 50 animals). But there are some problems with SMEDA that I will try to address in my future posts, God Willing.
      Hope this helps, Abubakar.
      More information regarding dairy farming etc will be uploaded soon, inshAllah. Your question is also noted.

  11. Dear Momekh

    Well done!

    This is such a brilliant blog and I am glad that you have provided a platform for educated to-be dairiers in Pakistan…

    I have already setup a farm in Punjab with a capacity to house 50 animals. I am planning on farming 70% bufs. and 30% cross bred cows (This will approximately give me a milk-mix ratio of 55% and 45%). To date I have already procured 7 buffalos from Punjab (vehaRi, Gujrat and Sargodha). Since this is going to be my parent herd so I am super careful in animal selection and have paid extra to obtain high-yielders (average 14-20 liters for Nili Ravis–Panj Kalyani). I am taking my sweet time in not rushing into buying bad-bred animals and paying special attention to each and every animal I purchase for my farm. InshaAllah by December this year, the size would exceed 50 and by June next year the yielding animals would exceed 100. I am going slowly with this in accordance with pace this business demands; what do you think?

    As you have mentioned in your blog, I had to face a lot of resistance at family and friends level. I am 28 now and studied investment banking from England and Alhamdulillah am working as an investment banking consultant abroad. But farming has always been my passion and I want to run it like a corporate inshaAllah with all the management systems in place; to make that happen I might need your advice from time to time as most of my time I am absent from the country.

    I had a chance to watch the video of your farm and to my surprise it is just opened-up farm crafted to cater the simmering heat in Pakistan but as we know that winter in Pakistan is harsh too, so what would your arrangements be in the cold season to protect the animals? If I am satisfied then maybe I can build my 50+ extension on your model, inshaAllah. Currently its more of a mix of the traditional and modern model with good ventilation arrangements.

    Someone has recommended me to purchase a cross of HF-Jersey-Sahiwal; since this breed has the highest lactation period and does not drop the milk yield towards its pregnancy. What is your view on that?

    Finally, the Silage; is it necessary to chop maize with the special cutter you mentioned? How much does that cost?

    Appreciate your time and effort for the wider social good in Pakistan. It would be actually great if you could kindly post some more photos and videos of your farm.

    Regards,
    Zubair K

    1. Excellent post, Zubair.
      You are spot on with the “slow and steady”approach. Dairy Farming is built that way. I really understand you ‘sweet time-taking’ πŸ™‚ towards buying the cows; I am doing exactly the same. I am planning to buy 2 every month, so the lactation cycles are in sync and there is some money coming in every month.

      There are two advantages to this approach: one, I get to select relatively better cows, and second, I don’t have to put up a large capital to buy 10 to 15 cows in one hit.

      My farm can house around 25 (that is just half of the farm; the other half will be built inshAllah when we reach around 20 animals).

      About Winters: I have been through one Winter season with these animals, and I seriously doubt you’d need much protection from Winters. There may be some animals (depending mostly on breed and health) that may – just may – show signs of ‘cold’ stress. But not that I know of. Most of the ‘village people’ will tell you that in Winters you need to wrap the whole gawddamned shed to protect wind chill, and burn a small fire to keep the animals warm and what not; that’s not the case. Not in my experience at least, and not with what other dairy farmers say. (It may be a bit different for buffalo though, something to check).

      About Buffalo: Have you read my “Unicorn Breeder” post? About Malik Hanif? He is 5 time presidential award winner for Buffalo breeding. Something you should definitely check out if you are keep buffalo.

      About Silage: Well, my friend, I can not stress enough the importance of Silage. Read this post I have on Silage Preparation.

      About posting more photos and videos: I have tried to consolidate my efforts on one section at https://momekh.com/dairy-farming-pakistan/

      I appreciate your input Zubair, and Investment Banking sounds cool. πŸ™‚ I love it when two completely unrelated projects are managed – by choice – by one single person. πŸ™‚

  12. Thanks for the feed banck Momekh!

    Actually investment banking has helped me a lot in apprasing quite a few businesses in Pakistan and at the end of the appraisal; I was really hooked in to dairy farming because of stable cash flows, minimal working capital investment and almost assured revenues.

    I would appreciate if you could kindly put up some pictures of your farm. I was meaning to ask you that how much did your shed cost you? Actually mine costed me around PKR 11,025/- per animal. I believe this is on the higher side; I would like to compare this with yours to be cautioned in my extion phase.

    I am facing trouble in procuring skilled labourers at my farm. I have a temporary arrangement in place but would like to make it permanent in with right people for the right job. I am not sure, what the market rate is in term of salary for skilled labour. My idea is that it ranges from 7-10 thousands per month. What is your view on this and where can I procure such skill?

    I have an off-take agreement for my whole milk productino which assures revenue in advance and minimizes my working capital requirement. This contract requires me to supply a certain mix of cow and buf milk and I get to charge a much higher price than the normal 35. I havn’t had a chance to see the Unicorn Breeder article. I will do that tonight at home and will talk more on that issue. For the meantime I would appreciate if you could kindly adress my two questions here.

    Cheers
    Zubair

    1. That’s the best way of starting any new project.
      My skills on ‘business appraisal’ are anecdotal at best, and yet I agree with your appraisal; cash flow (the life blood of any enterprise) and the current demand are both very favorable for dairy farming business in Pakistan.
      Your cost breakdown of ~ 11,000 rupees per animal sounds fair. Nestle gives the figure at 20k per animal, but that is for the ‘airport’ they want you to make for keeping animals.
      I have not done the ‘per animal cost’ of the shed, purely because it is a work in progress at the moment. I have only made half of the proposed shed, had only one silage pit ready (the second one is being completed for the July Maize harvest, inshAllah)… from the beginning, I knew that I can not afford to go ‘all aboard’ with this, and I had to slowly (but surely) build the farm… God be with us all! πŸ™‚

      About Skilled Labor for Dairy Farming: That is the number one concern here, as I have also mentioned in this article as well. Nestle, for example, do have some vocational training courses on farm management and Artificial Insemination etc, and they do help in procuring skilled labor… The University of Veterinary and Animal Sciences (UVAS) in Lahore is another good bet. Now that I mention it, I did go there quite some time ago to find such labor (I was/am looking for a farm manager). I wish there was a sure shot answer to this question, but there is not. Maybe down the line, people like us can get together and inshAllah do something about it? πŸ™‚

      Hope all is well.
      God bless and good luck!

    2. Mr. Zubair,

      It was good to see people like you entering in this field. I am also working on establishing dairy farm and collecting some information. These blogs have surely helped me a lot. However, no financial details on feasibility of any such project has been discussed and I am depending only on feasibility prepared by SMEDA. Appreciate if you could share your project details with me. Moreover, also if you could give me some details of options/arrangements available for sale of milk like the one you are having.

      my email is [email protected] please drop me your contact. i would love to talk to you on this.

      appreciate your reply in this regard.

      Regards
      Sohaib

  13. assalamo alaikum,

    Is 11,000 per animal the cost of constructing the shed. Does that mean the cost of a 100-animal shed would be approximately 11,00,000 (11 lacs) ?

    One other question I had is: If I have 1 acre (44,000 sq ft) of land, my guess is around 7000 sq feet will be needed for the shed. Will the remaining land be able to produce fodder/silage for the 100-animal herd or are other means needed to procure that ?

    Thanks,

    Irfan

  14. My apologies

    I rechecked my calculations and figured that I was wrong earlier and confused the measurement of the farm; however I used the correct construction rate–300 per sq. foot. Now the construction cost has gone up to 21,ooo per animal.

    My shed is 35×100=3500 sq. feet–enough to house 50 animals. Each animal requires 4 feet wide space and I have two tail-to-tail rows of 25 animals on each side of the shed.

    My estimate is that you need 20-25 acre of land with abundant supply of water to cater for a 100 strong herd. If you grow maize; use pioneer seed. The operational issue with using this seed is that it may require as much water as rice or cotton crop but the results are phenomenal. What area are you based at? because you would need to check the suitablity. If you cannot produce it, you can purchase silage at the rate of 7-8 ruppes per kilo. Even in this scenario you save on costs by PKR 30-35 per animal. If you produce silage yourself the cost per kg drops to atmost PKR 2 per kilo.

    1. I am looking to get started.

      When I do start insha Allah, I would probably have to go with purchasing silage because I would look to buy just 1 acre of land (enough to house the cows comfortably)

      Do you know the going rate of 1 acre of agricultural land around Lahore (raiwind area would be perfect)?

      irfan

  15. Hi everybody,
    I am new on this blog, just doing initial study to setup dairy form near lahore.
    Firstly, great job momekh, really informative.

    i have few very basic question.
    1 – Price of good cross breed animal
    2 – Milk Production ( kg/ day )
    3 – Cost of feed ( per day / animal )

    Is there any other feasibility study available apart from SMEDA.

    Please keep posting your comments

    Good Luck for everybody

    1. i think smeda have it but they talked about millions. why the hell if i have 20 millions i would start a business based on SMEDA thing anyways

    1. πŸ™‚ will reply soon brother. Sorry, I am typing this from a hotel in Phuket, Thailand. But yai bhee aik experience ho ga, answering questions about dairy farming in Pakistan while sitting on a beach in Thailand. πŸ˜€

  16. Dear ,

    I have constructed a dairy farm based on modern system which you may call state of the art dairy farm specially to cater buffaloes. I would like to get some advice to make it a successful venture. Pls post your number on ma Email “[email protected] and let me know when we can talk.

    Thank You

    Oshan Amin.

  17. Hi
    we are into farming we grow crops of various kind cash crops and food crops. If we want to step in to dairy farming , how much finance do you think required to by pass the thresh hold ?
    How many buffalo / cows good to start with

  18. AOA mehmod kh
    dear i email u but u dont reply me. i have no experience in dairy farming but i want to start dairy farm.My friends do that bussines i see them and my interest starts from here. I have no agri land i m basically in sargodha city.Here r too may good dairy animals. i have only 1 million rupees to invest.Is there any way from where i educate in this field like digree or diploma programe. i m also interested in goat farming because they increase very much. plz guide me .i think u understand my mind. also write about Boer goats a special meat breed not present in pakistan but in india………..

    1. AOA. Mohammad, keep doing what you are.You are doing a great service to our feild.Most of the new entrants I meet are misguided,and you are doing a great service to this sector and Pakistan…..Pls keep in mind trend is moving towards cows and day by day buffs,are becoming less feasible.Cost of production is rising rapidly.

      1. Thank you Naeem sahib! Your comments mean a lot.
        And please be ready, we need to meet and I need to ask you some questions regarding buying locally-bred cows…for my Dairy Farming Set up Guide ebook πŸ™‚

  19. Dear Sir,

    I have started dairy business in Pakistan before 4 years, I spent allot of money on this business but I am still losing. I have 30 Bf and 11 Cows. I am selling milk directly to the end-user @ 50Rs per liter but I don’t understand I am still losing. Every few months animals died, since 2011 my 2 Buffaloes and 2 cows died. I don’t understand why this is happening . Cows Died because of red water dieses, if anyone have solution for the red water disease please send me email at [email protected]

    1. There can be a lot of factors involved, Irshad.
      It is indeed unfortunate that you are still losing money, and these times can come in any business. First off, I pray to Allah that your problems are identified and rectified as soon as possible.
      Secondly, I appreciate you talking about it here. It takes courage to ask questions.
      Now, if a business is losing money, the first thing I understand from this is that you are spending more than what you are bringing in. Your expenses are more than your revenue. I suggest you look at the expenses and see which ones can be cut down. This sounds simple enough, but in the flow of things, we tend to forget this. For example, I was giving two bags of wanda to my cows and was barely in profit. After discussing with my farm manager, we experimented by reducing the expense of wanda into half; we went from two bags to one. The milk production was reduced because of the wanda being reduced, but the difference was not that much. After trying this out, I realized that I was already giving too much wanda, more than what the animals needed, so I tested this theory, and found out that I was saving more money and the business now looks better, Alhumdulillah.

      I am saying all of this, friend, to encourage you to try different things within your business. A lot of people may just sit and wait for something to happen; that is a recipe for disaster. Take action now, try changing things in a calculated manner.

      Also, the 30 buffs and 11 cows ratio seems very dangerous. Buffs are typically not that viable to begin with. One thing you can do is actually sell half of your buff herd and use that money to perhaps upgrade your feed rationing (get onto Silage if you already are not, for example). I am not saying that this will solve your problem; it may or may not. But you have to do something to get your business back in the green (that is, cash flow positive).

      I also implore other readers of this blog to pitch in with advice for our friend Irshad here. I know some of you are qualified accountants, some already run successful businesses in dairy farm and other industries. I personally think that the best thing for you to do is revisit your expenses and also to see what things you need to improve production. And then test out your best educated guesses. And pray.

      Hope this has helped. I know that these things can be tough, and I wish you all the best. God bless.

  20. Thanks for your valuable answer; I asked one more question about the Redwater (Ratmootra in this disease blood come in the urine) disease for cows is there any vaccination to save the cows from Redwater Disease because 2 of my cows died because of this desease.

  21. Dear Momekh
    is it possible foryou to send me your mobile number, i need to discuss with you over the phone.

    Thank you
    Ejaz

    1. One of best encouragements I can ever hope to receive; a prayer and a complement, wrapped in one! Thank you, Xaid. πŸ™‚

  22. Dear Momekh

    Thanks a lot for highly valuable information. Im planning to start my dairy farm. I hope you don’t mind getting in touch with you, and seeking some guidance from you. You have to do it because you believe in profitable philanthropy πŸ™‚ My number is [edited. Note: This is a public forum and I’d appreciate, for your own good, not not give out info like this. Thank youu πŸ™‚ ]. Kindly send me an SMS, or give me your contact details where I can contact you.

    Best Regards
    Nadeem Chaudhry

  23. Dear Momekh!
    Great work keep it up! Welldone
    I am truely amazed to see how many educated people are getting involved into dairy business in Pakistan. I also want to invest money in Pakistan in dairy farming and have been doing the research for a few months. I have studied the Pre-feasibility reports on SMEDA ‘s website but as you mentioned in one of your posts that there are some problems in these reports. So i will be looking forward to your further writings on the topic. I have a few questions and would greatly appreciate your answers.
    1. Electricity is the major problem in Pakistan at the moment, is it feasible to use generators with the soring fuel prices, if i go for imported cows.
    2. Are the imported cows easily available for instant if i need 50 to start with.
    3. Marketing!!! lots of people talk about starting dairy farming near big cities so you get better price for milk. what about small villages as i intend to start in a village in Toba Tek Singh.
    Finally is it a risk worth taking to bring money in Pakistan keeping the current law and order situation in mind as i live abroad.
    I understand some of the questions i should ask a business advisor etc but i can clearly see you have done a lot of research and you are already in this business so it will be great if you could address these questions as a matter of favour.
    May God Bless you and give you more knowledge to help people of Pakistan. Ameen.
    Regards
    Muhammad Akmal

  24. Lots of new entrants,specially young people want to start some kind of dairy or livestock business,pls make your plan with help of somone already in the business.Fix reasonable targets for yourself,like first 3months and second 3months etc.Also pls split your total num of animals into two parts.with gap of 5 to 6months.
    Red water has always been a big issue during summers,but is manageable and treatable,pls be careful reg TICKS.
    This is a good forum to discuss problms,Guys keep it up and come out with all kinds of questions,We must share our experiences.Have been in this line for 29yrs.Willing to help any which way.Mohammad,keep it up.

    1. Mr. Naeem Says red water is manageable, Kindly let me know how to manage red water. My Cows are really suffering from the red water diseases. Waiting for your suggestions

  25. Dear Irfan,
    Land adjacent to Lahore has become very expansive now a day’s .If you are looking near to riwand the price varies from 1 karror to 10 laks.

    Certainly you will seek land for dairy purpose but kindly consider 6 very basic important point before buying land.
    1, Road access (Your travel time ).
    2,Power / Electricity availability
    3,clean water (drinkable water)
    4,vet ( doctor) availability
    5,Area (security) .
    6,Canal water (if you don’t want to buy silage from market )

    It will be helpful if you go out and lease the land from any farmer (Gentleman)for 5 year extendable contract with him.also If you will try you can get ready dairy farms in riwand area which can be rented out for 6 months to year by doing this you dont need to invest your money for buying a land and keep your money @ flow πŸ™‚

    May ALLAH help us!

    Br//

    Shahzakh

  26. Dear Shahzakh,

    Assalamo Alaikum,

    Please let me know more about
    1) How does one contact farmers who are willing to lease their land
    2) Do you know of any dairy-farms available for rent in Raiwind ?

    JazakAllah

    irfan

  27. Ref; Redwater, very high mortality rate. Normally is diagnosed wen already too late,However make sure your animals and farm is tick free.This depends on ur management.RW,is also carried on from one to the other.
    Vaccinate your cows on three monthly basis. Keep premisis dry.Control against parasites,specially Liver flukes.or ur animals will not survive attack.
    If diagnosed give high dose of broad spec antibiotic.[ask vet]
    Becterin inj.shud be given to infected animals.I am not a vet,just a farmer.
    Dead animals also transmit the disease.Actually effects the cows liver.
    V.common in months of July/Aug/Sept [sawan] months in Punjab.

  28. Dear Irfan,

    Pakistan is full of opportunities; first try your self then ask for help this will give you experience .
    In order to check the availability for both buying and renting a land or building you need to travel few of miles in the required area..

    The best time to meet a farmer is the morning time starting for 6am to 12pm .If you will meet the people they will automatically guide you. Also property dealers can help you in this regards.

    Br//

    Shahzakh

  29. AsaK, Ramazan Kareem

    I would appreciate if someone can briefly give an input on the following few thoughts regarding animal feed:

    1. Which vanda to use–as there are hundreds of them in the market e.g. Maxim (pellet), Pioneer(pellet), Panjnad(pellet) or government’s Anmol vanda (in powder form). What are their merits and demerits?

    2. How much vanda is required for a buffalo yielding 12 liters of milk? Actually there are confusing accounts of this ratio; e.g. 1 KG Anmol vanda is required for 3 liters of buffalo milk while other types require 1KG for every 2 liters of milk.

    3. How much vanda is required for a Cow having 16 liters of milk in relation to my point number 2 above?

    4. Why new scientific vanda is better than traditional vanda (Khal, Chokkar and Dalya)?

    5. How much green fodder is optimal for your dairy animals? I have observed some people providing 10KGs of green fodder only, on top of 5KG of tooRi and 5KG of traditional vanda.

    6. What are the best timings to feed the animals during the day?

    Appreciate.
    Zubair K

    1. 1) salam dear, different companies are producing wanda , you can select good wanda by using samples of each company at different animals, and see results ,which giving good result you can use it.
      2) animal producing less than 10 kg milk per day you give wanda 2 kg animal giving milk more than 10 kg than increase wanda in this respect 3kg milk 1 kg wanda
      3) as i told 2kg for 10 kg milk so for 16 kg ,its 6 kg more give 2 kg more wanda means 4 kg per day
      4) dear new wanda all the requirments of your milking animal which traditional wanda not contains
      5) fodder is given 10 % of animal body weight if animal weight is 500 kg give 50 kg total, 35 kg green,15 kg tori per day
      6) best timing is morning and evening because these are cooler times of the day,

  30. AoA Everybody!
    I must say I m extremely pleased to see such an educated blog about Dairy Farming in Pakistan. All credit to Momekh for selfless service and initiative. I have a small dairy farm operation in Sargodha region, consisting of around 25 cross breed cows and 20 female calves/heifers (8 of them are from Profarm AI) . The project became operational 2 years ago, and trust me, what hands on experience can teach u, no amount of bookish knowledge & research can. But obviously theres a long long long way to go as far as learning is concerned. Hope to learn more about this field on this blog, & meanwhile help others in learning.
    Sincere, A*B

  31. hi… it was truly awsm ho read this as i myself hav started a farm recently… i would love to vist your farm and some questions
    please rep

    1. salam dear you have to visit some farms in your area. and concern the vet dr of your area for questions

  32. A.O.A Mr. Momekh
    i am student of BBA (Hons) and now i am in my last semester.
    my dream is start a business and i choose dairy farm and i am working from last 4 month at this but problem is that my elders want i go to canada for more study?
    what I should do?

    1. salam dear. study is necessory, 1st you should complete your study,if your elders are agree to start dairy farming than contact vet dr of your area,

  33. salam to everybody.
    i am very happy to see this for promoting dairy farming in pakistan. basically i am a vet. dr completed my dvm degree from uni. of veterinary and animal sciences lahore,
    this is realy good busniss, if all of you need any help from me , i am avalible i will do as i can for you people ,

    1. Wow!
      Thanks a lot dr Saab! πŸ™‚ I am really happy that mashAllah a lot of people are benefiting from my simple observations and now really professional people like yourself are joining in. Mr Naeem (another very experienced person) is already helping people and now I see you have replied to a few as well. Thank you for taking the time out to do this, Saeed. JazaakAllah!

  34. Met a few people via this forum,V.glad to see young people with such zeal.
    Pls discuss issues and problums b4 actually facing them.There is no shame
    in talking abt ones weakness,specially animal related.
    Mohammad,keep it up.

  35. Hi All

    Yesterday i was discussing with some related guys on fooder managment of the cows. to my utter surprize they advised the following 90% silage & 10% wanda on daily basis.

    No green fooder recomended due to following points

    1) different fooder for different seasons and if you are running a set up of40 -50 cows more labour will be required to manage lease land used up to grow.

    2) silage & wanda will give maximum results due to high % of dry concentrate.

    Would like to have everybody comments & suggestion on the same.

    1. Green fodder is overrated. Barseeem is the only green fodder that you can use with silage, but other than that, silage and wanda combo is the best, I think.

    2. Ref.Green fodder,believe me lucerne[alfa alfa]is the best fodder,for animals[richest in protein] however,not many dairy people are using it.Barseen is ample during winter months,and contains a lot of water,so does milk.Max yeilds are obtained during Barseen season.
      Silage is the most convenient answer.Corn can be grown 3times a year,most are switching cos cuts labour work and provides complete nutrition to animal.specially cuts wanda usage.You can use barseen with silage wen ample is avail.will give good results.Green fodder is important,will help ur animals get in calved on time.Silage helps empty ur land in one day while green fodder is used up over some time.

    1. contact dr saeed 0333-70xxxxx [Edited: Please try not to post phone numbers on a public forum. The best way is to use email/facebook etc. Thank you. ]

  36. Hello every one, Good to see informative content on dairy farming. I Would like to know if any one could post a complete diet chart for the calves, week wise would be preferable.For the fattening of Male Calves full diet plan and Female Calves full diet plan to achieve good results in buffalo calves. What should be the formula for the calf stater and which milk replacer should be used? I tried a milk replace but it didn’t work out well for me is there any one having a experience for the same please share? especially for the buffaloes only. @ Momekh, Dear i am still waiting waiting for the email regarding the contact of MR Malik Hanif πŸ™‚ cheers

  37. Dear Momekh,
    Absolutely a delight for sore eyes, your blog is. And a wonderful platform for start ups. I worked for National Bank for about 5 years and then shifted to social sector about 6 months ago. Since my graduation, i have this dream of having some sort of agro business (notably a dairy farm). I couldn’t do it particularly because of my pre-occupation.
    But as of now, im seriously thinking of getting my toes in this business. Amusingly, i don’t know nothing about it. All i have is a piece of land in my native town of about 10 kanals.
    I will go through the SMEDA pre-feasiblity report, but i don’t give much attention to that having some hardcore experience from people like yourself.
    Shall I start from searching good breeds?
    If yes, what are they and how do i recognize them?
    Shall i start from the infrastructure? if yes, what are the needful considerations?
    Shall i start from labor hunting?
    Anyone or all of the above, how much money do i need to have, in order for a start?
    These are just a few questions, probably there are more but they might come when i actually start something.

    Warm Regards and God help

    1. I Wish you all the best Ezaz, and thanks for the appreciation.

      The answer to your questions, simply, is a YES. To all of them. All at the same time, really. πŸ™‚
      Because, the questions you have asked are remarkable! They really are the only three things you, as a business owner, NEED to focus on i.e. animal breed, environment and labor.

      In fact, I am working on a small project (which will not available within this year inshAllah, and will NOT be free though) to further help folks like you. I am hoping it will be beneficial for all of us, inshAllah πŸ™‚ ….

      Due to a lot of requests from my blog visitors like yourself, Ezaz, I have set up a small Dairy Farming section on this blog.
      I have written down something on the dairy environment here, including the cooling infrastructure required (I was able to install a cooling fan for dairy – click the link to read more about that experience! πŸ™‚ ).

      Hope this gets you going. Wishing you all the best. God bless!

  38. Thank you Mohammad. I really appreciate your prompt response. I am still in the process of research and literature review. Once I think i’ve had enough of it, i will, like yourself set out on a journey of meeting farmers in person inshallah. And if Allah wills, i might be able to meet you too. πŸ™‚

    Cheers

  39. Dear All

    Today i had some discussion with Nestle and they were of the the opinion that maintaing dairy farm having jesrsy cows are easy to manage and workable.

    Ofcourse it’s heavy on pocket. but what do you think guys is it woth it?

    1. Janaab, thank you for posting here Abdul Muqeem!

      I would like to point out that imported cows are not heavy on the pocket. Heifers will cost you around 2000 US$. And a high quality local-bred will cost you between 140,000 to 180,000.
      BUT the most important thing is to remember that imported cows are ‘fragile’, and they do not give much margin of error. It is better to ‘practice’ on local ones, because they can sustain the heat (although they drop milk production significantly!). The imported cows, if not properly taken care of, just DIE in the heat (talk about killer heat, huh?). So, I believe that we should get the infrastructure up and ready, slowly but surely make sure that our shed is READY to maintain cool environment for the imported cows, and THEN bring them in.

      At the end of the day, these are my thoughts, my opinions. Of course, one ought to do what one feels is right. I wish you all the best.

      And how far ahead are you in your dairy farming venture? πŸ™‚ Updates? Wish you all the best, AbdulMuqeem. πŸ™‚

      Anyone else who’d like to share their experiences, ideas, thoughts etc?

  40. Dear Momekh

    Thanks for your quick feedback, i am going through the process. As far as my project is concerned these days i am looking for buying a land looking different places near Phool Nagar also checking surroundings.

    Whts your opinion wht one should look / consider before buying land for dairy farming. My plan is to buy 3-4 acres of my own out which some i can use for dairy purpose and rest with fooder ofcourse with lease land as well. The capacity i am planning to build shed is around 80-100 cows as i would be starting 25-35 cows. Need your suggestion as well on this point.

    Also if you could advice any price idea for land on multan road side. i am living near Bharia Town and i believe 1hr drive one side will be ok with me. as i am used to drive around 2hrs daily in my regaular office routine.

    Here i would need suggestions as well from all those who are currently involve in the business my plan is to be operative max by end Feb ’11 so while buying animals should i buy some pregnant cows or the ones which are recently calved so i can have calfs as well.

    Awaiting suggestions / feedback

    Best Regards

  41. Hello Muhammad and everyone,can recomend a couple of points reg imported cows. Firstly agree with you,they are too delicate and believe me lot of mortality has taken place on different farms.Saw many cows going to slaughter last year near Sialkot.Saw imports being sold for Qurbani 2yrs ago also.Someone asked abt Jerseys,they tend to loose condition v.rapidly after calving and weight gain is difficult throughout lactation,resulting in longer calving interval and less milk.Yes local crossbreds are becoming expensive,but
    its simply supply demand,wch is causing this.Lots of small breeders have understood this and hopefully there will be many good cows available in about 2 to 3years.Pls keep in mind any agro related venture,always do things wch compliment your environment dont try to work against it. Can recomend few good people as farm managers,get in touch with Rachna Livestock Services.

  42. hi its sajjad i m currently in australia and thinking of starting the dairy farm in rawalpindi pakistan and have a plan to start with atleast 100 animals anyone can suggest me how much land i need to built the shed for that many animals with all facilities like storage,workers accomodation and all other needs thanks ur good opinions and feed back is highly appreciated thanks sajjad

    1. Land preparation for corn can almost be done year round.Depends where you are located.Rem that silage is made at approx 20percent dry stage.This may come at around 75days.depending on season.

    2. Sajjad sb. While in Australia go visit a few farms,you will get a better picture.In Pakistan there is no right answer,many designs and many ways,however, 200 cow shed is about 300ft. long and about 50ft. wide with 100 cows standing on each side and feeding table in the middle. Make half that length and you can house 100 cows. Stores and other housing one acre land is ample to complete infrastructure.

    3. Dear Sajjad, please keep in mind that if you wish to be part of supply chain for packaged milk companies, then you should look for a place around Lahore as you will save on logistics & will remain competitive.
      Otherwise, if your aim is to sell it through traditional channel of ‘Doodh Wala’, then it is fine to be in Rawalpindi or its surroundings.

  43. Dear Naeem Malik

    could you please advice time when we should prepare the land of maize crop? if i am not wrong it takes 3 months to get ready to cut and we can make silage out of it? Is it ok to giv corn silage all round the year to cows?

    1. Abdul Muqeem sb. You can feed as much silage as your animals can eat and yes you can feed it year round. Work out your economics,ur the best judge.

    1. Hi Sajjad sb, what is your vision and strategic goal in starting dairy farming business. Please provide me some details so i can share some information with you. I am working with dairysolutionz (NZ) and can be helpful for you in acheiving your targets. It will be easy for you to visit us in New Zealand if you are currently in Australia.

  44. dear naeem sahib thanks a lot for for ur feedback 1st……
    i have visited a lot of farms here in australia the infrastructure is completely different compare to pakistan as here the animals r always out they only bring them in the shed at milking time…they don’t need the shelter for winter or summer…would u b able to tell me the land size in kanals…. ur feed back in this regard is highly appreciated thanks sajjad

  45. aoa ifran sahib i have a plan to stary dairy farm in pakistan coz 1st of all i love animals and love to work with them and secondly would like to have a decent business aswell so u r working in newzealand would u b able to send me ur contact details so v can have a chat thanks sajjad

    1. I am working for Dairysolutionz (NZ) Ltd and Beef Solutionz (NZ) Ltd, two subsidiaries of Waikato Innovation Park, Hamilton New Zealand.
      Please visit our website:

    2. Dear Sajjad, good that you have love for the country, we need patriotic people returning to Pakistan. All the best wishes.
      Just for the sake of caution, please keep in mind that Diary sector is mainly run by uneducated & unethical people unfortunately (people who manage the business at farm house mainly & those who work as agents or Doodhi) you must keep in mind that you will have to deal with them day & night and should take extra care while assembling your team here. It is not difficult to find perfect match but for sure it is a biggest challenge for decades.

  46. Dear Momekh, AOA
    I just read your write up about dairy farming. I have recently started to think about dairy farming after I was encouraged by friends. Your info is very similar to what I have acquired so far. I have visited a farm and talked to a few people. I am still in the process of collecting info on dairy farming. My question is
    1. How to purchase cows. Is there any reliable govt. org that sells good cows or we have to buy it off the mandi.
    2. What is the minimum number of cows for breaking even.
    3. Where is your farm and can I visit it.

    Lastly, good thing that you have started this. Good info sharing place.
    Thanks and regards,
    Talha Majeed.

  47. dear Momekh,

    It is well written and i totally agree with you concerns regarding dairy in pakistan. I started a dairy farm in pakistan about 1.5 years ago and it is going well. despite, we have cooling system but we lost some of imported cows. It is not because of heat but due to some unknown reasons which we could not figure out. But cross-breed is really going fine. Now we are looking to import artificial insemination kits in roder to develop a proper breed. I came to known that it is always a risk to get kits from the local market because they dilute the semens. I have seen lots of AI companies abroad but still i need to research on the type of breed which is most successful in local climate.

    Regards,
    Abbas

    1. Thank you Abbas for your input!
      You are right; if one needs to get good milk, one needs to focus on the BREED! The milk production will ‘take care of itself’.

    2. Hi Momekh,
      You have provided a very good platform to people to learn and share their knowledge and experience. its appreciated, regards Irfan

  48. Dear Abbas Bahe

    Hope you are doing fine, could you advice little about your dairy farm like
    1. where it is?
    2. with how many cows yourself started?
    3. what kind of shed yourself have built.?

    also is it possible to visit your farm in case if it’s nearby lahore?

    1. Dear Muqeem,

      I have posted some pictures these are a bit old and I could nto get time to upload the latest one. But it will give you idea about the design and the formate. It is near pakpattan. I used the steel structure which is quite suitable in my opinion.

      Regards,
      Abbas

  49. Dear Momekh

    hope you doin good?

    Please tell me is it possible to visit your dairy farm? As i would be taking some pics of it and would like to build some what on same manner mine.
    Also in case if possible when this could be possible, preferably it could be sunday.

    Awaiting your feedback.

  50. dear

    mohammad khan

    i was wondering if it is possible to visit your dairy farm ??? if yes, cud u please send the address??

    regards
    amna tahir

  51. Dear Momekh / Naeem Malik

    could you please is there any disadvantage / demerit if the dairy farm in situation adjacent to poultry controll shed. However the
    exhaust are directly facing the dairy area?

    1. Assalamu Alaykum
      I will be coming to pakistan to setup a Dairy farm soon inshAllah.
      sahawatattari yahoo co uk
      07989996380
      Any advice and help from expats would be greatly appriciated.
      I have been doing my homework on running a dairy farm for sometime and hope to put it into action soon.
      Would appriciate any advice via email or phone
      wassalam

  52. Dear Abbas Bahe

    Tks for the nice pics, please advice the possibility to visit you farm some time. and ofcourse i would like to meet you as well to share few things regardign the business.

    1. Dear Muqeem,

      I am out of country but let me know (via email) your details so I can arrange your trip to my farm.

      Regards,
      Abbas

      1. @Abudul Muqeem: I have visited Abbas bhai’s farm. And it is definitely worth a visit! InshAllah, you’ll learn a lot.

        @Abbas: I am in fact heading towards Pakpattan in an hour or so, might as well visit it again to see the ‘upgrades’ πŸ™‚ …

  53. Salam to all frnds!
    Basically im a textile engr but i wanna start my business in dairy farm.
    i already have small dairy farm having just 10 to 15 animals.
    i want upgrade this business . kindly Abbas Bhai give me some suggestion about this .
    i am from okara is there any brother having dairy farm near to okara?
    i will be grateful to all.

    Thanking You !
    Ijaz Hussain

    1. Dear Ijaz,
      Do let me know what info you need? Although, most of things have been discussed on this forum but still if you have any specific questions, you can ask me via email, pkabbas at gmail dot com.

      Regards,
      Abbas

  54. Brother Muhammad Abbas,

    Would you consider a partnership of sorts where i provide the finance and you provide the expertise to set up a dairy farm and then carry out a strategic vision.

    I want to bypass the learning curve and jump straight into the deep end hence why i require an experienced partner. I would be a more of a back seat passenger.

    Let me know your thoughts. I am in the UK but will be in pak in December.

    1. Dear Mirza,

      Can you please drop me an email, pkabbas at gmail dot com,? I travelling to london in december, so we might have a meeting as well.

      Regards,
      Abbas

      1. Not yet in fact, although I’ve been to Pir Ghani once or twice since then.

        But will visit soon inshAllah. Whom do I see there? Asif, I presume? And there is another Asif at MAK Dairy Farms (another farm an hour’s drive from Haveli Lakha)… and now I am ‘officially’ confused πŸ˜›

  55. A very informative article. Ive been mulling on starting a dairy business and and currently doing research on the same. do let me know if I need o read up other such information which can better prepare me before I start.
    rgds

  56. Dear Momekhan

    Me & my husband are planning to go in this dairy farm business we got some land in mianwali, i have bin reading ur blog lastly n learnt many things but still there is much to get hold of before we practically come into this.
    Is there any possibility to visit ur farm???? it wud help us a lot.

    regards

    amna tahir

  57. Dear Abbas Bahe

    With reference to my visit to your farm, i have already put and email to you. Could you please re-confirm your email address.

    Regards

    Muqeem

    1. Dear Muqeem,

      sorry for not resposding you earlier as I was quite busy. Well, you can find the contact on our website and just give a call to Asif. I will let him know today about you.

      Regards,
      Abbas

  58. Dear Momekh / brothers

    could you please advice on below.

    1. how many KVA generator should be enough for dairy farm if we have bucket system milking procedure , water pump these are the main factors.

    2. price idea / source for a normal milk chiller

    Regards

    Muqeem

  59. Dear All,
    I envisioned to start up my own business and was searching for the info and your coversation has helped me a lot , I am a novice you may call a typical job person who have lots of fear to jeopradise his hard earned savings which is also not much , so can anyone of you may guide me the minimum number of cows and the area requirement to give it a good try.
    regards
    muhammad mian

  60. A.O.A Dear Momekh

    I hope you are good, I was trying to get some information about dairy Farming and luckily this website of yours came up.
    I really like your approach and business attitude. I am currently an accountant in London but planning to come back to pakistan permanently.
    I am planing a visit early November this year for 2 weeks, I would really like to link up with you if possible and get some solid advice on dairy farming as I am planning to get in the field.
    I have already set up a small sheep farm but am more interested in the dairy farming business.

    I would really appreciate if you could give me your personal contact and spare some time if possible. thanks
    Hamza Jilani

  61. Dear Mian,

    just read your message on the blog, willl try to explain few points. Although i have not yet started with the business but i am working on this project since 3-4 months.

    As per my study find below points.

    1. minimum land to build a dairy farm should be at least 2acres which would be required foreseeing your business will grow in the coming years.

    2. Ok for animals it’s bit tricky however you need to base your working on minimum 250-300 liters of milk on daily basis which means every time any of your cow go dry i.e out of milk you should add another head to make sure the average of your milk is not distrubed.

    3. You have to consider the expenses for the infrastructure
    4. As far what i understand before bringing animals into your farm you must have minimum 4-5 months of cow food in your stock this will help you to come at break even very soon.

    We would really like that our other brother should also add some points to help Mian sb understand better, as the above info given was in best of knowledge.

    tks!

    1. Very well said, Mr Muqeem.
      The thing most dairy farmers seem to avoid is fodder; there MUST be silage at least for 6 months BEFORE you bring in the first animal to your new farm. And if you already own a farm, divert all your expenses to getting the silage. It not only helps in providing better feed (corn based silage), but is great from a logistics point of view.

      I wish us all the best πŸ™‚

  62. Brother With the amount of interest shown in dairy farming and all the potential I am sure there can be a more time / cost effective way of pursuing this and getting
    the required end result, i.e a fully functioning profitable farm.

    I for one am of the opinion that if all those considering dairy farming, including myself, pool our knowledge together we can do alot better alot quicker.

    I propose that we set up a a group / bloc with the sole aim stated above. We wil be in a stronger position to buy any infrastructure, cattle etc and our decisions will be more informed. We can perhaps negotiate a higher selling price for our milk aswell.

    If we need to commision any expert we can use the same supplier or at least we can share our own expertise.

    If any one is interested please do tell. I am based in Birmingham, UK.

    1. This is something that is an EXCELLENT idea.

      Some other readers and subscribers have also shown interest in doing the same.

      I recently talked to Mr Naeem Malik (from Rachna Services) about this… maybe we can arrange a small meetup somewhere in Lahore, where we gather, discuss ideas on starting a dairy farm, the pros and cons of specific cases, etc.

      The idea of reviewing ‘vendors’ etc is not a new one, and we can use online platforms (like my blog here for example) to share knowledge. Again, appreciate your idea. For example, I have bought about 8 animals so far from Rachna Services (via Mr Naeem Malik) and therefore, I recommend him and his company for this purpose. As more and more experience like this is shared at a neutral place, it will benefit everyone inshAllah.

      Let me work something out. And as always, your ideas and suggestions are more than welcome. Thanks Mirza!

    2. Dear Khan,

      Can you please share with me contact of Racha Services? What kind if cow breeds they have? What is the average milk production of the cowd you bought from them? We are looking to buy some cow.

      Regards,
      Abbas

      1. Dear Abbas,

        Check out Rachna Services … the contact person is Mr Naeem Malik. Give him my reference (Mohammad).

        Till now, I have bought about 8 animals from him, and only one has been below par. As you know, Abbas bhai, this is a very good record! πŸ™‚ I always try to base my relationships on trust and honesty AS WELL AS the ability to deliver results.

        Good luck (and when you are in Pakistan, you are most welcome to come over to Pir Ghani, given that you are hardly half an hour away πŸ™‚ )…

  63. Hmmm!!! I ma also the student of dairy technology in UVAS I like to read it topic… I like to more information I want to start my business after complete my degree… please share more knowledge..

  64. ASA

    i read ur blogs they were very informative u r doing a good job. you wrote about a buffalo breeder in hafizabad i am willing to purchase some high yielding buffalos and sahiwal breed cows it would be helpful if u mail me address,s or contact no,s of some good places where i could find them and benefit from ur research.

    thnx
    take care

    thnx

  65. Our skilled team is planning to establish a Cattle Breeding Farm near Super Highway Karachi.
    Our idea is not limited to Dairy farming as our core product is not milk. We will keep milk producing cows to cover the working capital of the Business. Its infact Cattle breeding farm with three breeds of goats ( Kamori – Gulabi and Rajanpuri), two / three breed of Calves.

    For working capital we will keep Milk Producing Cows and Kajla sheep of Sargodha.

    SUCCESS FACTORS:

    a) Equity is riba free – means no conventional bank will be involved.
    b) No borrowings from Bank. The purpose is to cut down the operational cost by not making any payment to Banks on account of installments.
    c) Proper Animal Husbandry Techniques
    d) Quarantine yard management
    e) Proper BCP planning
    f) Mortality rate (death ratio) is kept at hgh side to cover the the only risk asoociated to this Business.
    g) No credit deals at the start of business.
    h) No- non- Islamic insurance guarantees.
    g) Proper vaccination.
    h) Proper ration arrangement. (Could be grown inside the farm area).
    i) Initial CAPEX in inclusive of all risks , the actual occurrence of which will not impact the continuity of the Business.
    j) Close ties with purchasers and sellers.
    k) Due to farm being on rent, the huge saving on farm land purchase.
    l) Fully intensive farming is relatively economical with better results.
    k) Healthy and attractive local female (DOES) and male (BUCKS) should be selected, as it has better characteristics compatible with the local environment.

    Other core products of the farms are:

    a) Calves
    b) Sheep

    INVESTMENT PLAN:
    Total project cost inclusive of CAPEX and OPEX is PKR 10 Million.
    Investor has to wait for Initial 36 months.
    Soon after 36 months Investor will be paid back PKR 10 + 4 Million.
    From fourth year onwards , without making further investment Investor will be paid PKR 3 Million in the begining of every year and this will continue for next 10 years.

    The CAPEX is PKR 7 Million while OPEX (Working capital ) is 3 Million for Initial 12 months only. Thereafter Farm will generate its own revenue enought to cater the operating expense.

    A formal agreement will be signed with Interested Investors.

    For Investment please contact at [email protected] (Salman Khan)

    Regards
    Salman

  66. Salam,
    I live in uk and am thinking of starting a beef cattle farm near Muzaffargarh. I need you guys to help me in choosing the right animals, does anyone on this board have a cattle farm near Muzaffar Garh or Multan? How much investment I would need to start with for roughly 30-50 animals? any suggesstions/help would be much appericiated.

  67. Salam to all !

    Dear Momekh / Naeem Malik

    Few days back we are discussing with friends about shed making. We came across an idea that to try the possibility to make shed out of bamoo. The idea was based on following characteristics.

    1. Easy to find and very cheap in comparision o MS pipe / concrete
    2. very strong and required height is available.
    3. we believe that it is weather resistant as well.
    negative points we discussed were as follows
    1.we might will not find the labour who could do this job for us?
    at the moment this was the only things we discussed.
    i really would like to have input from your side and ofcourse from others,we might try this or we might forget it πŸ™‚

    Best Regards

    1. You bamboo shed idea is a good one! That’s the way to think about things, I think… thinking out-of-the-box, working out on different, cheaper alternatives etc.

      A shed’s PURPOSE is to protect the animals from the elements. That’s pretty much it. If a bamboo shed can do it, excellent. If a shed consisting of a large tree can do it, excellent.

      I wish you all the best. And do let us know how your experiment/findings go…

    2. am also planning to setup a dairy farm, i just want to know how bamboo shed wud look like and is it a long lasting compare to the other way of constructing sheds..
      thanks

    3. Hello all, Bamboo is a good Idea. I am a Civil Engineer I think that because Bamboo is prone to rott and infestation of Demak and other parasites also. That this may not be a long term ideal solution unless treated. On the other hand I have also seen facades of houses in Lahore with bamboo and they have stood 10-15 years beating. I think that using the Bamboo as the roofing and using lighter water proofing material such as a sheet of plastic sandwiched between the bamboo and also some palm date leaves can rovide insulation from the intense heat we are gifted with in the summer. This would also let us use lighter columns to support the roof. If we use concrete column or steel for that matter we can tie every thing together so wind loading will not have extreme effects on the roof. We can use Bolts to fix the roofing and the structural elements.

      And Now for my Question :)… I have seen coments on silage and they are very good at providing general information and as Momekh said that it will vary according to your circumstances.

      But here I go again :)…

      1)The silage requirement as Dr sahab suggested is 25-30 kg/day for animal. ( would that also hold for non lactating)
      2) Alfalfa(lucerne) is the best kind of plant for silage?… If that is the case can someone comment on the nutritional aspect vs the price of different plants.
      3) I have heard you can get the best quality Berseem for Rs160/mund, Is it neccesary to get best quality for silage wouldn’t the fermeting process breakdown the low quality feed anyway so is paying the premium price worth it?
      4) I was reading an article on silage and it was suggested that if Berseem silage is used Khal or Wanda is not needed is that possible. Wont we still need the Calcium and minerals.
      5) All about price. What is Silage costing now adays to make?
      6) Has anyone tried to sell Milk by seting up a retail shop if yes can you please comment on the ups and downs and what profit margins have you been getting.

      Lastly to end this huge post…
      7) The milk yield per day for cows and buffalos in comparison to their cost and the best balance to go for. And the prices you guys are getting on and of farms

      Hope you guys won’t be bored in the middle of reading my silly questions.

    1. That’s a very comprehensive list of item you’ve got there.
      Good luck… I am sure inshAllah a lot of us can benefit from your products.

  68. AOA, Please someone let me know:

    1- Can I start a prifitable dairy farm with 10 cows only.

    2- What is the price for a local cow, is this cow also called the mix breed?

    3- What should be the average milk per day of the local cow in 365 days.

    4- I am told that if am getting Rs.100 income from a cow then Rs.50 will be cow’s feed and Rs.10 will be other expenses and Rs.40 will be the profit, is this true?

    5- Bamboo shed is recommended or not?

    6- What is the construction cost of a suitable shed?

    Regards

    1. Most of the questions you have asked demand a very, very detailed response, because these include variables that are unique to everyone.

      The best thing to do, I think, is to ‘work it out’. For example, I hear all the time that a profitable dairy farm can ONLY be run with 25+ animals. But that is not true, in my experience. Some say a profitable dairy farm exists ONLY of imported animals. That again, is not true.

      So, answering your questions become quite difficult. πŸ™‚
      Same goes for shed construction. Material costs and labor costs vary substantially over different areas, for example. And a lot depends how you personally manage the costing of the project etc.

      About bamboo shed: I personally have not ‘seen’ a bamboo shed. But I do know that a shed’s PURPOSE is to protect the animal from the elements. You can spend 300,000 on it, you can spend 3,000,000 on it! I have seen animals give excellent milk under an old, massive tree!! :/

      I know I have not exactly ANSWERED your questions, friend… but I hope I have given you some direction as to how to find the answers. God willing.

      Best of luck to all of us πŸ™‚

    2. Dear
      I asked your question,
      did you start your business or not because i also want to start this business with low level like you
      please guide me if you have any updates
      thanks
      faisal

  69. Thanks for your reply. Well, my point was that if I have the basic requirements like land, money, time and the most important the willingness and courage to work and spend time for farm (for 5/6 cows) then will I be able to get profit or technically it will not a workable proposition due to smaller number of cows?

    Regards

  70. I am glad I visited your site . Really helpful . trying to fill in my name and email address to subscribe but unfortunately I am not getting any mail allowing me to go to step 2 – Please help

  71. Hi
    I am interested in live stock business to provide demand at eid .Can any body help me how can I start and what will be the minimum investment required for this business

  72. Thanks for your reply, my point was that if I have the land and other resources for this very small scale and most of all if I have the strong will and courage to work by giving my full time to this job, then is it possible that I am not able to earn profit due to this reason alone that it was a too small scale working.

    Regards

  73. Hello All,

    There is really good information available on this site.
    Have anyone of you have experience of raising animal for qurbani and selling them at the time of EID, is it profitable? if just to do animal for qurbani and no milk production. what will be the number of minimum animal to have breakeven. What is the minimum investment and monthly expenses if to start with 25 animals?. Please give some insights ..thx

    Thanks in advance
    Imran

  74. Dear Momekh / Naeem Malik / Abbas bahe

    Hope you guys doin well. need your suggestion / feedback on some points

    1. my silage bunkers would be ready somewhere mid jan to end jan
    2. how should i work on keeping silage in stock, as i planned to have silage ready to feed before i bring first animal at farm
    3. also advice on how much should i stock, as my initial plan is to complete 30-35 animals in the period of 4-5 months

    Best Regards

    1. silage ready in 28 days you can open it and start using it,when it opens continue to use it and keep it open otherwise fungs will grow in it. one animal(adult cattel) eats 25-30 kg per day, for one animal in 5 months you need 150*27=4050 kg, and for 30 animals you need 121500 kg, about 125 man

      1. by ‘keep the silage open’ it means that keep it covered overall BUT keep using it (right doctor saab? πŸ™‚ )

        And thanks a lot for writing such a precise way to calculate silage requirement for dairy! jazaakAllah

  75. yes dear, you can store the silage more than 6 months if you don,t open after 28 days, but if you open continue to use it, don,t stop feeding that finish as soon as posible ,
    thanks ,

  76. i like live stock business plz any body help me how can I start and what will be the minimum investment required for this business plz contact me 923017138613

  77. Hi All,

    I am really glad to see that lots of educated people are getting interest in farming n stuff. Agriculture is core of our economy i believe. I am also planning to start a dairy farm near Chakri interchange (Motorway). I have my own agriculture land there with easy approach to water (just 200 meters away).

    Just need little information. How much would it cost on shed? I am planning to buy 15 cows in start. Could you please advice which breed will be better in my area (if you have ever been on motorway Chakri interchange).

    I am currently in Dubai but i have people in my village to take care of things. My brother is in Pindi so he will be looking after also.

    Can you please guide me where to start from? more importantly how much investment i will need to start with (I know it depends as I have gone through similar comments above but still please give me a rough estimate for 15 cows and shed)..

    1. Hello Rizwan!
      Given yours area and situation, you should have cross breed cows only as you yourself will not be on location and hiring a highly paid farm manager is not feasible for 15 cows. Pure foreign breeds need a huge amount of care with experience. The type of shed you should make depends upon your future plans. Do you plan to expand or keep it in 15-25 range. As Momekh has been saying, dont spend too much on shed, but select good cows. For profitability you should have a very good feed cycle as well. Best of Luck.
      Bilal Ch

      1. Oye hoeyy, Bilal janaab you’re on fire today! hahaha… So great to see some highly valuable advice being dished out here. Thanks man. And as for the excel sheet etc, hit me up on Skype. My ID is ‘momekh’ (surprise surprise πŸ™‚ )… talk to you soon πŸ™‚

  78. Aoa, first of all many congregations to Mr. Momekh for posting such an informative blog and also to other people who contributed to this blog. I’m planning to start a small farm of goats and sheep. I’m planning to build shed in a village near Chobara, Layyah. My plan is to complete shed by end of Jan-2012. Then in the month of Feb-2012 buy about 100 animals, mixture of goats/sheep (male) and prepare these animals for next qurbani Eid. Also once I’ve purchased my first lot of 100 animals I’ll started buying female goats of good bread and my plan is that in about 3-4 years I should have about 300 female goats (Inshallah). Frist of all I would like input from any of you about scope of this business. Also I’ve uploaded couple of pictures of suggested construction plan of my shed. I’ll grateful if you people can comment on this and let me know if I should make any changes to improve it.

    In terms of animals I’m planning to keep Kajla sheep and Desi goats. Any advice in this regard, like where to buy or which bread should I buy, is also welcomed.

    1. actually , i am also planning to setup goat farm and am also looking for the information regarding where to buy small goats and what are the current market prices.

  79. I would like to inform all that last year I have set up Baled Corn Silage Production in Pakistan.
    We have invested around $1million in latest machinery from Europe and currently producing a very high quality Corn silage in Baled form.
    It is very convient for small and large farms.
    So if anyone is considering setting up Dairy Farm in Pakistan and require Fodder it is now available
    My email is [email protected]

  80. I am a program coordinator for a company called GMP holdings. It is a recent startup firm devoted to utilizing alternative energy and to improve lifestyle by offering natural and alternate solutions in the form of products and services. Recently we have decided to move into the field of a dairy farm and to provide fresh milk to consumers and also at the same time develop a free range chicken field. The idea is to have a self sustaining farm through utilising renewable energy but the problem though is acquiring a good breed of cow. SInce we are in the phase of research i am wanting to find out contact details of individuals or companys where i may ask around for types of cow breeds here in Pakistan and the kind of options available along with statistics.

    If anyone here has adequate contact information please do let me know since we are wanting to start off as soon as possible. I am sure Momekh here has quite a lot of details, please do reply here.

  81. Good to see such an informative blog for farming.
    I appreciate the time Memokh is giving for this blog.
    I am planning to start business of dairy farming. I am new in this field. I would like to start from low scale to learn first and get experience.
    My question is
    Will 5 acre land be enough for 50 animals and for cultivation of their feed as well.

  82. no sir you at least have 12 acre land for 50 lactating herd, otherwise you have to purchase the silage,

  83. Dear Usman

    with reference to you query please find below answers to best of my
    knowledge.

    1. 5 acre land is more than enough for 50 animals but i am afraid is not
    enoght for cultivation.
    2. Yes! if are covering e.g 2acres of land for dairy purpose which is

    very reasonable area where you can also have a nice small farm house

    3. Rest 3acres you can grow berseem and other green fooder but that

    too wount be enough to meet food requirment of 50 animals.

    4. On an average a healthy cow could eat upto 25-30kg the figure is on

    higher side.calculation goes as follows

    – 50cows x 30kg/ = 1500kg per day
    – 1500×30 = 45000kg per month

    – Hide quoted text –

    5. Normally if you grow corn on 1acre of land and average out put could
    600/mond which means around 600mond x 40kg = 24000kg

    45000kg x 6months = 270000kg
    270000kg / 24000kg = 11.25acre

    As far as my knowledge you need atleast 11acreof land which you can take
    yearly theka system and grow your corn after April-May

    Would really appreaciate if someone could into this, as this will further
    enhance everybody knowledge.

    Best Regards

    Abdul Muqeem

    1. Abdul Muqeem Sahib and other friends on the forum.
      What is the annual rent ( Theka) per acre around Lahore for cultivation of barseen and corn?

      Further which area around Lahore is best for setting up a dairy farm. Is Bedian Road , Burki Raod , Ferozpur Road or Raiwind Area? I am mean from point of view of security/safety as well as milk sale, helth facilities for animals?

  84. Dear Fakher

    Please find below your replies.

    1. Thaeka around lahore vary from 25k to 35k per year
    2. First of all its very important that any place you opt for dairy purpose should be in easy excess from your home.
    3. i believe for that your have to work it our by yourself making sure if your have some contacts.
    4. i personally prefer multan road belt because road excess is excellent to any where in this belt.
    5. all facilities are also easily available in this are as well.

    Best Regards

  85. Salam;

    Really impressive work.I was running farm once but unfortunately could not continue.However wants to start afresh but in corporate Farming,can you give me some information regarding any such farm running and its address.
    Thanks

  86. AOA.SIR .i am starting the dairy busnies and i want to buy sheeps plz help me and tell me our views how i can start this busnies thanks

    1. salam dear, if you want to start dairy busnies than purchase cross bred cows not sheeps, because one sheep give you maxi.3 liter/day, for dairy you have to purchase cows. sheeps can be kept for whool and mutton production.
      thanks

  87. AoA , i want to start my sheep farm for keeping goats and sheeps for qurbani purposes, i am looking forward to have about 200 -250 goats in farm. i want to know whats the best way to start and where to obtain the baby goats. it would be really helpful, if anyone could provide bit more anaylsis on this.

    thank you
    sharyar

    1. mandi is the best place to purchase the sheep and goats, contct to some tecnical person to help you for selecting good meat sheeps and goats,

    2. thanks, Dr saeed

      i want to know would i be able to get baby goats and sheeps from mandi, and if you have any idea which is the nearest place to Lahore from where i can get these
      and also what sort of shed would be the best interms of strongness and the prise vise as well

      and what are the main things involved raising the goats and sheeps.

  88. salam sharyar;
    yes you can get kids (10-15 weeks age) of sheep and goat by moving at different mundies around lahore; if you want to start long term mutton production program you have to purchase sheeps and goats which give triplets and twins,
    mundies present in okara,renala,patoki,shakhopura,murid k,
    sheds you can adjust according to your capital if long term program make permanent concrete sheds best ,if for short term than use simple bumbu sheds which is inexpensive.
    consult your nesrest vet dr for the raising protocole,it depends upon no. of animals, breed, and your way of feeding.
    thanks

  89. My question to experts like Dr. Saeed and Naeem malik is :
    1. Whether dairy cows can survive on green fodder like Barseen , Lucern and Mott Grass year around or Wanda is absulute must?
    2. If Green fodder is given to dairy cows while it is in abudance and then during the shortage period silage is given. Does this work without any problem?

    3. How much avergae milk yield can be realistically expected from a local cross cow.

    1. salam fakher khan
      1)yes dairy cow can survive on green fodder onely but the milk production of that animal will be compromised and is reproduction will be effected, because wanda is necessory for production and reproduction.
      2) now problem at all but use silage whole year is better than using short time you can use fifty fifty ratio of silage and green fodder and only silage during shortage time
      3) local cross cow can give upto 12-15 liter per day in good condition.

  90. very impressive work..thumbs up Momekh

    i have a question…people are using medicine like boston and Sometech to increase milk productions….is it good to do…?? wat are its merit and demerits

    1. its not a good practice, if these growth hormones are used they produce more milk in that lactation, but in next lactation there milk production will decreases and in next 2-3 next lactations it stop milk production, so don,t use hormones.

  91. First of all, I would like to apprecaite your commendabale work.

    I would be grateful if your could please throw some light upon straw based Total Mixed Ration (TMR) to be fed to lectating cows, its feasibility, and results/performance which is being used in advanced countries.

    Many thanks.

    1. tmr is good feed, but issue is its price if you can manage use it if you have no fodder land, tmr is better than to purchase fodder or to take land on rent, if own land than fodder nd concentrate is best

  92. Asslam-u-Alaikum,

    I’m glad to know about this site and about our educated youth who are thinking positive. I’ve learned alot from this post even i have a plan to start my own business of dairy milk. i would like to reshape myself my career from Information Technology to Dairy Farming.

    Keep up the good work.

    Regards,

    Omer

  93. Dear All Concerns

    Need your immediate advice i am planning to buy 10 animals. have two options with me.
    1. pregnant heifers.
    2. milking cows.

    what ratio i go for i.e how many heifers i can buy and how much pregnant to maintain my cycle.

    thanks & best regards

    Abdul Muqeem

  94. Dear all
    nice to see this blog,
    my planning regarding dairy farming has no entering into implementation stage, but i have some queries plz.
    i am busy in my job every time but i have some trusted persons at my land.
    i have only capital of 12 lack.
    i have to start my farm in charsadda.
    i have almost all the requirements like building, toka, electricity, gas but all the other resources like fooder, labour and all things will be on cash direct,
    so what u think should i start????? or not

    1. first of all you have to meet to a vet. dr to get the feasibility of dairy farming business. it depends upon your investment.
      thanks

      1. Although the input of a qualified vet is ESSENTIAL, it is not the “first step”.

        I must make clear here that there are two very distinct sides to running ANY business.

        1. The Business Side
        2. The Technical Side

        In the case of dairy farming, for example, the business side would be to set up the right systems, and that will INCLUDE a proper business system for vets.

        Said another way, The business side is all about your strategy for doing business whereas what you are saying, respected Doctor sahib lies in the domain of tactics coming from your strategy.

        I hope I’ve been able to clearly put forth my opinion here.

        Thank you again Saeed sb for your valuable input all across this blog! πŸ™‚

    2. Mokesh / Saeed Sbs,

      Appreciate if you could share feasibility / financial details of any running poultry farm ???

      I am looking for the following information to get an idea : 1. No. of cows 2. Total Capital Investment 3. Monthly revenues 4. Monthly expenses

      Regards

      Sohaib

      1. Mokesh? πŸ˜› hahaha…

        The name is MOMEKH. It’s for MOhammad MEhmood KHan. πŸ™‚

        And I do not have a poultry farm feasibilty study on hand, although we have been discussing about it on and off. Setting up a poultry farm (control shed especially) is currently ON THE RISE in Punjab.

        I met a person in Pakpattan, who had about 22 control sheds! Yes, TWENTY TWO! And he was putting in more. A detailed study on poultry would be beneficial for us I think?? Maybe someone can arrange it and I can put it up here on the blog, or I can write a small, introductory post on “How to start a poultry farm” as well? πŸ™‚

    3. Dear MOMEKH,

      my apologies for mistakes… i m in UAE and one of my colleague is Mukesh πŸ™‚ i have also done one more mistake as instead of dairy i wrote poultry ……so i totally accept my mistakes…. i should not have written the post in hurry !!!!

      Regards

      Sohaib

  95. A.o.a all friends
    I appreciate to all especialy for Momekh who take this progresive step for us. Dairy farming is best business. Do more and well for Pakistan. Allah help us

  96. Aoa All,

    Its really nice to see our youth being so creative, I have read all the comments on this page. But I am surprised to see that not a single person is thinking about buffalo farming, even though is most areas buffalo milk is 20 to 25 rupees expensive as compared to cow milk and people prefer it for tea.

    Can anyone comment on this, is there a draw back of buffaloes that I am not aware of?

    Thanks
    Ahmer

    1. buffalo milk production is less and the feed expensis are more so not suitable for commercial dairy production.

      1. I have seen buffalo farms being run successfully and very profitably. Of course, you are right, Buffalo farming is harder to manage than cows. But people like Malik Hanif are here, so that should give all of us inspiration to focus on the indigenous buffalo breed.

    2. Dear Ahmer! There are several reasons that make buffaloes uneconomical as compared to cows:-
      1. Buffalo calves take around 4 yrs from birth to lactating
      2. Buffaloes milk production drops rapidly after 4 months
      3. An average buffalo will give around 8-10 litres of milk while a cross-breed cow would give around 14-16 and will give milk for longer periods.
      *P.S-In my view buffalo is a very hardy and strong animal, well suited to local environment. Only problem is that we have not worked on selective breeding to increase milk production, whereas Europeans/Americans have been working hard on this aspect for more than 100 yrs.
      –Bilal Ch.

    3. WA Alkum Salm,
      Ahmer Sahib, Valid point! I am about to start in a small farm (just brought 6 buffaloes), please if you have any info regarding the subject, share it with all of us.
      Thanks & regards

  97. hello sir i m very much interested in dairy farming but i dont know how to work or what to do please tell me that thank u.

  98. A.O.A
    yar momekh bhi kia he acha hoo agar ap aik blog urdu language main be bana dallain .waisay ap ki kawish achi hai laiken ap ka Mb number mujhay kahin nehin milla iss ki kia wajha hai.main dairy shroo kerna chahta hoo laiken bjainsoon ki cow ki nehin.hum zameendar hain aur mere pass iss waqat 3 bhainsain hain aur ghar ki zaroorat poory kernay k baad b main 5 se 6 hazzar ka profit nikaal laita hoo sarray harchay pooray kernay k baad wanda ,choker. ration etc aur main nai aik kaam kernay wala b rakha hoa hai.laiken mujhay ap ki aik reply ki samajh nehin aee jiss main haroon bhi nai 10 cow k saath start kernay ko kaha aur ap nay kaha profit bohat he mushkill hai.

    1. Blog in URDU is DEFINITELY something I AM WORKING ON! Especially the Dairy Farming section WILL INSHALLAH have an URDU version as well!

      At the last two Blog Conferences/meetups, we have discussed HOW TO get more URDU content on our blogs. It is not easy, but that doesn’t mean it can’t be done.

      InshAllah. πŸ™‚ Thank you for the reminder.

  99. Thanks for your replies, my point is if every new dairy farmer is importing Holstein cows from Netherlands or Australia. One day our local breeds will become extinct and we will forever be dependent on others and some day if there are sanctions or high taxes imposed on us our farming industry will suffer.

    We made JF17 and K8 when we weren’t allowed to import fighter jets, if jets were being bought from other countries we would have never made anything in our country.

    We should work on improving our local breeds of cows and buffaloes, Holstein was imported by Australians from Netherlands and now Australia is exporting it.

  100. Salaam Momekh/Dr Saeed,

    Firstly please allow me to offer my warmest congratulations to you for your efforts; there are no words to describe how proud I am to see people like you investing faith in Pakistan – and profiting from it in the process. I sincerely wish you both the very, very best in good health and success, both for yourselves and our beloved nation.

    I am a British-born Pakistani, currently living and working in London. I am realistic enough to know that my ambition to move to Pakistan and to set up an agricultural business of my own is very, very far away right now – a least several years. However, one of my chief concerns right now is, unfortunately, corruption and security. Could you please shed light on what, if any, obstacles you have faced in starting up your business, in terms of bribes/protection payment? Have you had to face any such challenges, and if so, is there any guidance you can offer us on the matter?

    Please do not take my post as an insult – I can see that you have clearly put a lot of effort into your dream, and you are also further assisting others who wish to enter this field as well, which is wonderful. I also do not mean this as a slur on Pakistan, as I have worked and lived there myself for several months and am personally aware of the impeccable levels of integrity and kindness that most of the people of our land have in abundance. Perhaps I am enquiring about something that is a non-issue, but I wanted to read your thoughts nonetheless, since you have clearly taken the plunge and so far, alhamdulillah, seem to be benefiting from it. Grateful for your advice, and wishing you all the very best.

    Hasan

    1. Dear Hassan! It’s Pakistan, so there are hardly any regulations regarding dairy. Specially in rural areas, there are none. Dont fret yourself so much, it always looks bad from the far side. I setup my farm 3 yrs ago, and didnt have to bribe anyone whatsoever.
      -Bilal Ch

  101. If someone could let us have a small write up on Maize production particularly with regards to following :
    1. Per acre yield ( green fodder for making silage)
    2. Per acre cost of production :
    (a) cost of renting /leasing
    (b) Soil Preparation
    (c) Seed
    (d) Fertilizers
    (e) harvesting
    The above is to arrive at the silage production cost if produced if done by the dairy farmer himself.
    Thanks

  102. 1. Per acre yield ( green fodder for making silage) : A very good crop 18 tons
    2. Per acre cost of production : Around Rupees 30K not including harvesting cost
    (a) cost of renting /leasing : Around Rupees 40k to 45k per annum
    (b) Soil Preparation : Around 1,500
    (c) Seed Around Rupees 4,500 to Rupees 5,000
    (d) Fertilizers : Around Rupees 12,000
    (e) harvesting : Depend what you are doing with it i e making silage or just chopping as green fodder : Around Rupees : 6,000/

    In summary, It will cost you around Rupees 20k for the lease per crop assuming you get 2 crops
    And input cost of around Rupees : 35,000/
    Total cost per crop : Rupees 55k
    Assuming you get 18tons of yield it will cost you just over Rupees 3.05 per Kg
    This will be your Green Fodder with around 26 to 30% dry matter.

    If you then want to make into Silage then you would have take into account around 20% to 25% Dry matter losses .

  103. Hi,

    I would like to share some experience with you guys and some tips that can be helpful and cost saving for existing or new entrepreneurs. Here is it:
    1 – Type of shed: I recommend to use steel structure in order to save time as it can be eradicated within no time. It is also an asset because steel can be reused, relocated or sold without total loss. It is smart structure which takes less space. It looks nice. It’s well ventilated. It does not require any maintenance.

    2 – renting land for silage: corn silage is the best. Instead if cultivating corn through out the year, simply plan it. E.g. Cultivate it twice an year and produce potatoes once an year on same land. Profit of potatoes will cover the rental cost and may be more if you are lucky. But keep in mind that you should have enough storage of silage for that gap. There is work around as well. You can buy ready corps of corn during October as corn don’t get good rate and farmers just want to sell it in order to prepare land for potatoes. So the buying cost is almost the same as if you grow your own.
    3 – don’t make wall of a shed to protect from winter season because it is not needed if you feed silage to animals. Silage gets hot Impact on animals so animals need cold environment.
    4 – always use mixed breed as it produces good milk. Momekh has discussed this at top.
    5 – try to use alternate energy resources and you will have free energy after two years if bio gas plant installed.
    6 – if milk is prime objective then don’t keep animals for meat or qurbani. It is not cost effective at all.

    Regards

    1. Thank you for the insights janaab!

      I am thinking of doing a meet up, some refreshments etc on dairy farming in Lahore. Would love if you can join us.

      When are you coming?

  104. Hi.

    I don’t have any plan to visit Pakistan yet. I may ask our dairy farm manager to join you guys. Why don’t you arrange such meetings at any dairy farm, just to be on ground and near to realities. As I feel some people are really new to this line so they will feel better if they see things happening on Pakistan.

    Regards,

    1. Assalam-O-Alaikum,

      Muhammad Abbas, Momekh and all respectful members:

      First thing is that It will be great honor for me if you allow me to attend the gathering, if its going to be.
      Second I wana know if any dairy farm can offer me internship coz I wana learn the handling as well as management of farm. I’ll work free of cost coz it will help me to learn and run my own dairy farm (which I am planning to develop in next 6 month).
      I am a business management professional having MBA digraph, followed by 3 years experience in HR&Admin, but know realized that I should be entrepreneur as I have much intrust in Dairy development, I already visited, DADA Dairies, SweetWater and Chaudhary dairies in Qasur.
      Waiting for kind and optimistic responce.

      Best Regards,
      Rao Zeeshan Shaukat (Lahore)

  105. AoA,

    I want to give credit to Momekh for such a fantabulas effort for this topic coz its one of most hot in entrepreneurship but with less helping material available and peoples are also not helping in traditional system. In my opinion, if I analyse my knowledge in percentage, then today I got 80 % help from 20 % effort to read this blog and discussion and rest 20 % from my past 80 % efforts πŸ˜€

    I have many questions raised in my mind, I will use my mind and will not sort them just which cums to my mind, I’ll place it here.
    So I’m gona start my brain work:
    1. I have 10lakh and 8 acre land, From how many catles should I start?
    2. what are pros& corns of using own land for food generation, or Theka owned lad or purchaising silege from market, and which one is most effective and feasible to do?
    3. We were talking about Mix bread, can any body explain about which two breads cross is that mix bread?
    If we make cross of our Cholistani cows or this Mix bread with Austrailian bull, can it will effect positively in next gen for milk increase?
    4. How much a consultant charge, to make a comprehensive project feasibility plan for my customized project, according to my available resources and area, coz its the most important part and I want it to be done very professional by not missing any thing, before I start?
    5. I am settled in Lahore but my home town is Bahawalnagar City (where I wana start my Farm on my Agrilands), Can any one offer me internship of 15 days / 1 month on any dairy project, so that I can learn practically, how to run, manage and tackle issues in dairy business and I will work their free of cost as observer and learner?
    Looking for the kindness specially from Mr. Momekh, Mr. Muhammad Abbas, Dr. Saeed and other all senior professionals for my answers.
    Best Regards,

    1. Hahaha, very well said and I think you have understood the non-linear way the 80/20 Principle is to be applied! bauhat aala πŸ™‚

      To your questions:

      • It really depends on how much can you risk (all business is risk at the end of the day). But DO NOT spend TOO MUCH on shed construction etc. Understand WHY you need a shed and try to save money there. On the other hand, DO NOT try to get low quality animals. Animal purchasing should be the most cost-intensive activity, that’s how important it is. Good luck!
      • As Abbass sb said in one of the comments above, it is better to rotate your corn with potato to offset your overall silage costs. Owned vs Leased land has turned more into a debate so do whatever looks feasible to you; it is not essential for the success of your dairy farm under normal circumstances.
      • Q 3 and 4 I can not answer because the only consultant I use is for animal purchasing; he charges Rs 6,000 per animal procured.
      • What a brilliant way of learning! I commend your attitude and willingness to learn! My dairy farm is perhaps too small (currently I have 10 animals) – but we can talk something out if you are really interested. Abbass has a much more comprehensive set up with a lot more animals, but his farm is near to mine (a 35 minute drive I think)… so perhaps something can be worked out? πŸ™‚

      Anyone else can provide feedback on my comments to these questions?

    2. Hello Zeeshan! I rough calculations, I have come to the conclusion that u can support 3-5 animals / acre / year for crops. Though alot depends upon quality of your land, availability of water and the effort you put into it.
      However, 10 lak in my opinion is too small an amount for a dairy farm. What you can do is buy 5 good quality cross breeds for around 7 lak, make a very small shed for around 2 lak and use 1 lak for silage/crop preperation.
      Answering rest of your questions
      2. Land is land be it owned or leased. You should dedicate a certain amount of land to your farm. If its owned by you, even the you should add equivalent cost of lease in your expenditure sheet so you should know real profitability of your enterprise.
      3. Mixed breed can be any LOCAL X HOLSTEIN-FRESIAN or LOCAL X JERSEY, I havent seen many other variety of cross breeds to date. And yes, Cholistani X Australian will be cross breed offcourse with higher milk production. Infact I have a pure Cholistani X Pofarm Bull calf which is 1.5 yrs old πŸ™‚ To know its actual milk performance, we’ll have to wait a while.
      4. And I can help you with your feasibility for free πŸ™‚ I have comprehensive excel sheets that I use for my own farm.
      5. U can gain some experience on my farm, although it’s a long way to being a proper scientifically run farm and a small scale one (25 adult and 25 female heifers).
      Hope I was able to be of help πŸ™‚
      -Bilal Ch

      1. Excellent write up Bilal! Thank you for your input. I agree to ALL of the suggestions.

        If you can email me the excel sheet, I will make it available for everyone, if you are OK with it. I will of course give you credit and will host it and give it away for free. Let me know…

    3. AoA Momekh! Why not. Just gimme some time to edit it in a way that people can understand it easily. And I’ll need ur email / IM for that.
      Regards
      -Bilal Ch

  106. Excellent and very informative input from Abass Sahib.
    One question , is it that silage has to be supplemented with WANDA for milch cows? If yes in what ratio/proportion to get max. milk yield.

    1. salam to all of you,
      yes wanda can be used with silage its a good practice to avoid digestive problems.
      2ndly its quantity depends upon the production of your animal,
      use one kg wanda for each three liter milk.
      thanks

  107. Sir,

    Excellent effort.

    You are right and helpful, but I want to share one very important factor i.e. theft of your assets or animals. Police is always with the “Chore”.

    Any advise to meet this problem.

    Thanks

    Zahid Ali Khan

    1. Have 2-3 good dogs on farm. Make one or two of your employees sleep on far side of the farm. And make one or two employees sleep on roof of your rooms (they should have weapons). Make sure there is no access to stairs of the roof from outside. That should be a good strategy to stop both thefts and armed robberies. Thats what i do.
      If you have a bigger setup, and want to be more protective, u can install motion sensors on walls. If any thief (or even cat) tries to cross the wall, the siren will wake everybody up πŸ™‚
      -Hope I was of some help
      -Bilal Ch

  108. is there any one know about palm kernel cake for cattle feed.

    if any one know so what is the rate of this products now these days, and what will be the market situation after some days or few months.

    rgds
    Salman

  109. As salamualaikum
    I have just visited your site for the first time. It is a very good effort.
    Insha Allah I am planning to start a Goat / Cattle farm in Wazirabad. I want to know is there any help or support from Government in this regard

    Mohsin

  110. Asslamo Alakom to all, very informative place to get information about farming. I am doing job and wanted to start dairy business for which I have 2 canal covered area with one shed along with 17 acre land near Pattoki. I am thinking about long term planning like 3 to 4 years and with in this period not to draw a single paisa from the business.
    I am planning to purchase small cows(like 10 to 15days) of frezen bread and grow them. Now the days I am searching the mandies and trying to complete 40 animals before March April.
    Any body want to comments/suggestions/proposal/good/bads more then well come.
    Regards.

    1. salam all,
      dear for pure frezen cross you should not go to mundies , you should contact to commercial dairy farms, some of them sold 5-20 days old calves of fression crossed, i personaly knows some of these farms , purchase females calves from these farms
      thanks

      1. That’s very good advice, doctor sb! πŸ™‚

        But most farms do not sell females as that is their bread and butter! I would personally love to visit such farms that DO sell these sorts of animals… πŸ™‚

    2. Dear Saleem!
      I hope you have your cages prepared, as you have to feed these calves with powdered milk (u may use Sprayfo). And be very mindful of the fact that it’s the mother’s milk which provides antibodies to protects young calves from diseases. Without the mothers the risk factor increases. So ensure excellent vet. services.
      And one more brotherly advise. Concentrate on buying best quality calves that you can find, even if you have to pay double the price. In my opinion, it’s very cheap to buy a Altaf & Co. / Profarm inseminated calf for 40,000 than to buy a local or mixed breed one for 15,000. Both of these calves are going to eat the same fodder & silage. Mixed breed or local calf on maturity will value between 80,000-130,000, whereas a Profarm/Altaf calf will have a value of 175,000-200,000. So your extra 25,000 give you profit of 70-90,000 in 2 years time. Dairy all about smart calculations.
      Hope I was of some help.
      -Bilal Ch.

  111. Thanks for such a good suggestions, Dr, sb can you pls provide me some contacts those selling females? As Mr. Momekh mention that commercial farms are not selling females my experience is same.
    Hope you will continue your kind guidance.

    Best Regards

  112. Hello momekh i am getting my dairy farm constructed like sheds and other facilities,near Lahore Sunder, i have met Mr Naeem Malik who has been very helpful and kind to give good advice. You suggest that instead of crossbred importred should be preferred due to their yield, can you pl share your experience of imported cows especially heat stress mangement and their vulnerability to other factors like disease and climate, thanks .

    1. Dear brother,
      I m also a dairy farmer and had started this business 2 years back near Renala Khurd and received a packet of 8 Cows along with their calfs from Malik Naeem u mentioned. Presently i have a herd of over 35 animals with 13 milking. My suggestion might help you so do contact me.

  113. Salam All,

    It is a very good effort by Mr. Momekh. I just want to know that if someone have the knowledge/feasibility about Livestock forming (Beef Cattle Farming). I am planning to have a cattle farm in Rawalpindi as I have my own land, but i have not sufficient knowledge about that.

    could anyone help me.

    Thanks

  114. Dear All,

    Starting dairy farming sounds good but it’s really
    Hard work, I started dairy farming in Pakistan in year 2010
    Been to all mundies and some of commercial dairy farms
    For purchasing cows, now by the grace of Allah I have
    35 cows and 5 baffloos and im doing good.

    The main experience which I have gain and I would like to
    Share with you is,
    1. Buy imported cows if you can’t then buy cross breeds( holstian )
    2. Use imported semens to inseminate your cows (cogent) or Altaf & Co
    3. Use Wanda ( big feed ) available in Lahore
    4. Most imported ( clean water )

    I hope information I have provided will be helpful to any fellow friends

    Thanks and God Bless
    Naveed Sajjad Adham

  115. Hi there Naveed Sajjad/ Momekh

    I am planning to open a dairy farm in suburbs of Islamabad, as i have no basic knowledge of this business, i would need your help and guidance and in order to do so i wish to visit your farms.

    Regards
    M Irfan Qamar

  116. hello all….
    Dr Saeed and Momekh…..wat is Dr Feed…..and my 2nd question is what are the main igredients Of WANDA….

  117. SALAM to all.
    Firstly A very nice experience sharing platform momekh.
    My question is about the profits one can expect in relation to their investment in Lahore. I know dairy is a very hard and demanding job and am prepared to go through it all.

    Please share information about inputs such as feed costs,green,wanda,silage.
    Milk price and yield. I have heard that some people usually take cows on contractual basis is this feasible and worth it?, I would think that the genes gathered over time will be very important to the farmer.? Just economics and information Please.

    Thanks is Advance!!!

    P.S. I am currently in the UK but back this summer is it possible to meet some of you for a visit of your farms and learn and make some nice friends.

    1. Thank you for the appreciation!

      A lot of us keep sharing this kind of information here. I think you’d have to go through the comments section to see those!! πŸ™‚

      But a fresh post, especially by someone who hasn’t posted about such thing, will be welcome?? πŸ™‚

  118. I Live in Samundri (Faisalabad) I want to open a Dairy Farm in my City. Plz Guide me That How can i start & how Much Cows to Start a Little Farm. If you have any Feasibility Please Send Me. Thanks. Zahid Nawaz

  119. Dear Members, as I mention before I am going to start my dairy farm in pattoki area, to buy small female cows last Saturday I visited cattle Mandi near okara and glade to see that frezen, Sahiwal and cholistani breads were easily available. This Saturday I am planning to go to Arif wala Mandi where i believe some can buy such animals in qty.
    From my visits to farms and Mandi I got a lesson that very small animals (less then 5 or six months) are not feasible and risk factor is very high.

    1. AoA Saleem Sahab! I agree with you that calves aged less than 3 months involve a lot of risk.I bought around 10 female calves aged 6 months & above around 3 yrs ago, & Alhamdolillah all of them are now lactating cows without any mortality even though I didnt take any special precautions about calf health. One of them sold for 70000, while another one sold for 145,000. Both ate the same amount & type of fodder…so what was the difference??? GENETICS. From what I learnt is that you should invest in better quality calf no matter what the price. You are also right about the fact that very few people sell high quality calves. But there are a few breeders who cross their cows with high quality Artificial Semen & then sell them at different ages upto 1 year. Obviously they charge higher for them, but if u see the end result, they are still cheap. If someone is interested, I can refer them to those breeders.
      Regards,
      -Bilal Ch

  120. Dear Mr. Bilal Ch.
    Aslam-u-alikum

    I read your article , You mention in your article about the breeders who are selling the female calf, I am interested to buy some femeale calf, can you send me the contact of those breeders.

    Muhammad Irshad
    Email : [email protected]

  121. dear bilal ch.

    i appreciate your comments they are very informative it will be helpful if you send me the details of breeders and do include breeders who have pure sahiwal breed

    [email protected]

    thnx

  122. I Live in Pattoki (Jambar Kallan). I want to open a Dairy Farm at my farm house. My father is already running a side business of selling milk to local suppliers at small scale. I am planning to improve and move this side business at large scale. Plz guide me that how can I start & how many cows to start a little farm. If you have any feasibility please help me with it. Thanks

    Regards
    Omer Randhawa
    ([email protected])

  123. Dairy farming is tough job but if you do with consist it would be much profitable after three year at least .
    further more i am finding cross bread goods cows of 1st lactation
    please reply

    1. we want to purchase 2 fresh milking young cows one is imported cross breed & one is local cross breed, target milk production for each 20Ltr/day. any body help us plz

  124. Dear Mr. Bilal Ch.
    Aslam-u-alikum

    I read your article , You mention in your article about the breeders who are selling the female calf, I am interested to buy some female calf, can you send me the contact of those breeders.
    Thanks
    Sohail
    Chattha Dairies Sunder

    1. dear Muhammad irshad

      my cow had the same problem her wacha died the fourth day he was weak from his birth and blood is on all four teats i consulted a dvm he advised solon-m (inj) trioxyl la (inj) avil(inj)whats ur cows update

      anyone is welcome to comment on mastitis which is a big challenge for dairy cows
      i use pyodine solution for post dip of teats to prevent them from being infected i feed the cows just after they r milked so that they don,t sit which is important for the teats from being infected and give them intramammary infusion(tube inserted in teats) at the last milking of there lacting period. waiting for comments on cows dieseas and there prevention measures anybodies experience that worked well

  125. W/S!
    Sorry for my absence, I dont have much spare time nowadays. Several posters have requested No.s of breeders who sell calves. Here are the contact No.s of few that I know about for everybody’s consumption.(I m sure they wudnt mind me posting their no.s here as it wud only result in more people contacting them which is what they wud want)

    Ilyas Alvi,0302672789 (Sargodha area, calves/heifers from imported AI injections)
    Ahsan Ullah Sandhu 0345-8942671 (Sargodha area, has some very good Profarm inseminated heifers)
    Wahdat Farms 051-2100392/0300-9206737 (Sargodha area, occasionally sell offsprings of their purebred imported Jersey/Holsten Heifers
    Imran Basharat 03447903949 (Jhang, Sahiwal Cow Breeder from Sahiwal Cattle Breeders Society)
    Mr Safdar Saleem Sayyal,03006509075 (A very learned & educated gentleman from Jhang,his hobby is breeding Sahiwal cows, sometimes sells them as well)

    *PS-Some numbers might have changed since I last contacted them, so plz keep in mind.

    If someone has anymore numbers, post them here so we can compile a kind of directory for everbody’s convenience.
    -Regards
    Bilal Ch.

    1. Dear Bilal

      Thanks for the valuable information. I really appreciate it.

      Jahangir Tareen Dairies also sell AFS heifers, the contact person is Dr. Waseem Asghar +92 314 5388282.

      Regards
      Zubair

      1. Guys, this kind of information is surely very valuable!

        I am working on the first Pakistani community of dairy farmers, to make such sharing and exchange more structured and meaningful, inshAllah. Wish us luck! πŸ™‚

    2. Assalam o Alaikum to all friends.
      I am Mohsin Bajwa from Burewala, I have my own agri lands and very much interested in dairy farming. I just have an intial investment of 1.5 Million. I can understand its just a peanut to start a dairy farm but I heard that a few NGOs and Companies are working in Pakistan which are providing all technical and financial helps to farmers to promote this industry in Pakistan. If any one from you is aware of such NGOs or Companies please share with me. Thanking you, Mohsin Bajwa

    3. @ Mohsin
      AoA! Please do not count too much on financial help from NGOs or government departments. Many small dairy farmers who had obtained loan under a proper agreement with PDDC are in big time trouble because PDDC has no funds to fulfill their contracts. So these farmers who have pledged their lands with the bank are in thick soup now. & even if u are lucky enough to secure some grant from some NGO/department, they are too small to count and a one time thing.So make sure you have proper finances before u start. 1.5 million is a decent amount for a small informal type of farm,specially as u have your own agri land and are present on spot.What u can do is get a 1 million loan from ZTBL through help of Nestle. Spend 6-7 lak on ur infrastructure (shed,room etc) & get around 12-15 good cross breed cows & heifers from the rest, n there u go πŸ™‚ But plz, do all possible research beforehand.Better to learn from others’ experience than ur own.Cuz ur own experience wud involve financial loss as well.
      -Regards
      Bilal Ch

      1. Excellent advice Bilal! One should always try to remain debt free ESPECIALLY in the start when things are ALWAYS dicey…

        But I need to ask, Bilal, that this loan by ZTBL, I hear it is to be repaid within 3 to 4 months? Any updates on that?

        And again, awesome effort within the community! πŸ™‚

    4. Dear Momekh!
      The dairy loan from ZTBL(taken on recommendation from NESTLE)is to be repaid in 5 yrs. The installments amount is cut from ur milk payments directly.
      Those who are regular milk providers to NESTLE, can take short term advance from them which is to be returned in 3 months time, ZTBL is not involved in that.
      -Bilal Ch

      1. Interesting. And I believe the loan from ZTBL is interest free (in the sense that Nestle pays the interest) ?? Or is that offer by Nestle is no longer available in the market? Thanks btw.

    5. u r welcome. It is interest free if u provide a certain amount of milk to Nestle every month. Lesser the milk, more the amount of interest u have to pay. On the average, u manage to pay half the amount of that milk (if you only have bought animals only out of the loan amount), so end up paying 4-5% of interest on loan amount, which is still a good bargain.
      -Bilal Ch.

    6. Dear Friends,
      Let me share something with you guys regarding loan through Nestle. First of all, keep in mind there is nothing interest free in this world. Let me tell you, how nestle works here.
      You will get money via nestle, then you will be bound to spend that money in buying animals only under the supervision of nestle. You cant use that money for any machinery or building etc etc.
      Once, you will buy animals, resultantly milk production will increase. Now nestle will pay you some incentive. Higher the milk production, incentive will be higher. Plus they will give you a bit good per litre price.
      So end of the day, you will feel nestle is paying interest for you. Thats why they force to spend money on buying animals. Plus interest rate in pakistan is not fixed and it is linked to central bank. so if rate is increased, you have to pay more. you can go upto 20 million of loan.

      Lets look at other side, you have enough investment and you bought animals which incrased milk yield then ultimately you will get all those incentives by default. Regarding the per litre rate, it depends on the volume again and your bargaining skills. They have different categories of cutomers so rate varies and benefits varies.
      So its up to you. If anyone interested, I can share with you guys the copy of financial contract which i got from Nestle.
      I studied this option and simplye said NO, I dont wanna bound to Nestle.
      Now I am in better condition with full bargaing power.

      There is an other offer nestle has, they give you some small loans up to a million fromt heir account without involving a bank. This one is interest free. Again, it all depends upon your area manager.
      Regards,
      Abbas

    7. Dear Abbas! The contract they were offering a year back stated that Nestle will pay Rs 1 interest for every litre of milk provided in winters and Rs 1.5/- in summer months.

    8. Dear Bilal,
      I got htis information from nestle in August 2011. Contract says as below:-

      – Interest rate will be market interest rate i.e KIBOR plus 3% (currently around 17%)
      – Interest Subsidy will be Rs 1.5 / Ltr in Flush & Rs 2/Ltr in Lean Seasons respectively.
      Now imagine, you have got 10 million @ 17% and you bought 60 lactating animals which yields 20 ltrs/animal/day. you get 20 ltrs/animal for 305 days (an ideal lactating period) and get incentive of 2 Rs per ltr. So you will get an incentive of 732000 Rs from Nestle while you have to pay 1700000 as interest to the bank.

      Regards,
      Abbas

    9. Thanks for the info Abbas. Can u give more details about the 1 million loan from Nestle side u were talking about? I never heard of that offer.

  126. Further to my last message in December, I have now started my goat farm. So far I’ve purchased 81 goats/sheeps (male). I’ll be buying some more to complete my total of 100 animals. After that I’ll start buying female goats.

    Any suggestions in this regard are most welcomed.

    1. Dear Abdul Rauf

      I checked the pics you posted showing your farm. Its really awesome and neat I must say. What has been the average cost of goats and their average age?

      Regards

    2. Dear Zubair,
      Thanks for your comments. Here are answers to your queries

      Average age of male goat is 7 months. There are 6-7 goats that are below 5 months rest are above 6 months. Average live weight of goat is 28KG and average price is 11000.

      For male sheep (12 sheeps), average age is 2 months, average live weight is 20KG and average price is 5500.

      Kind Regards

    3. Dear ABDUL Rauf …AOA..
      i have seen your farm pics, i must say MASHALLAh goats are very good quality and its a very nice and clean setup.

      I am also very interested in setting up a Goat farm and currently living in UK and planning to move back.
      i want to ask few questions if you could give us a help on these

      firstly you mentioned that you bought goat of 7-8 months age. Will this not be more profitable to buy two months, or i mean to say smaller age goats, because as you said that the average price of goat is 11,000 rupees. would’nt be more cost effective if we could buy more younger goats

      Secondly, what will be the current market price for small goats, if we want to purchase it and if you have any information, where will be the nearest market around lahore for small goats.

      thirdly i wan to ask , as you said that currently your farm has around 100 goats. what will be the average cost of per goat for their feed per month.

      about feed, is it just the what we called Pathay the green one .. what else you are giving in feed or is it just this.

      i have seen the shed in your goat farm pics, what will you do in winter for goats. are goats be able to stay in open sheds in winter and summer ofcourse it will be some sort of fans for cooling.

      one more thing , i know i have asked so many questions at once. how much does ur shed cost for 100 goats and what was the roof made of on shed.

      YOu have provided very good input on the goat farming and will looking forward your reply and INSHALLAh will stay in touch.

      thanks once again

    4. Dear Sharyar,

      Thanks for your comments, by the way I also lived in the UK for 7-8 years and moved back to Pakistan in 2007.

      I would again emphasise that I’m new to this business and trying to run it according to best of my knowledge but there is a lot of room for improvements in the way I’m currently running it.

      Now here are answers to your queries

      Query: Firstly you mentioned that you bought goat of 7-8 months age. Will this not be more profitable to buy two months, or i mean to say smaller age goats, because as you said that the average price of goat is 11,000 rupees. would’nt be more cost effective if we could buy more younger goats

      Answer: Yes, you are right that younger goats would be more cost effective but I’ve bought these goats to sell on coming Qurbani Eid, although 1 year goat is valid for Qurbani but most people prefer Donda goat, that mean their age should be around 15 months, this is whyi’ve bought 7-8 months old. In 3-4 month time I’ll start buying goats for next year Qurbani and in that case I’ll be buying goats of 2-3 months old. Also you may have noticed that average age for my sheep is 2 months, this is because 6 months old sheep is valid for Qurbani and I still have about 8 months to Eid.

      Query: Secondly, what will be the current market price for small goats, if we want to purchase it and if you have any information, where will be the nearest market around lahore for small goats.

      Answer: As per my knowledge you should be able to buy 3-5 months old goat for around Rs. 3500 but it also depends on what breed of the goat is. Sorry I don’t have idea of markets around Lahore but you can get a list of Markets from Punjab Live Stock office of your local area.

      Query: Thirdly i want to ask , as you said that currently your farm has around 100 goats. what will be the average cost of per goat for their feed per month.

      Answer: As I’ve recently bought animals so I don’t have a very clear idea of cost but my estimation is initially about 400 per animal but it will increase as time will pass and last three months before Eid I’ll be giving them better feed to increase their weight and as a result cost will increase.

      Query: About feed, is it just the what we called Pathay the green one .. what else you are giving in feed or is it just this.

      Answer: Currently its mostly green Pathay, wheat straw and some wheat chooker. Soon I’ll be start some sort of Wanda as well.

      Query: i have seen the shed in your goat farm pics, what will you do in winter for goats. are goats be able to stay in open sheds in winter and summer ofcourse it will be some sort of fans for cooling.

      Answer: Regarding the shed, we knew that by the time we will induct animals winter would have passed so we kept it open for summer. Obviously before next winter we will convert it to sort of closed shed. Sorry currently we don’t have electricity in the area so currently fans are out of question.

      Query: One more thing , i know i have asked so many questions at once. how much does ur shed cost for 100 goats and what was the roof made of on shed.

      Answer: We have constructed one shed 28×37 (1036 SQ Feet) and another sort of room for Toka machine and store 15×20 (300 SQ feet). Our total cost for these was about Rs. 270,000. We already had a room for workers residence so we didn’t have to construct it. For roof, we have iron garders, then Bamboo, then Sirki made of Kanas(don’t know what it is called in English), then plastic sheet and then Mudd on the top.

      Hope I’ve answered all your questions πŸ™‚

    5. hi Abdul Rauf, hope you doing good

      how is your goat farm progressing and how is the experience of running goat farm. Any major problems did you face yet and how much is the running cost you incurring for 100 goats.

      I will wait for your reply
      thanks
      SHARyAR

    6. Deae Abdul Rauf

      How is business now and i saw you have sand on surafce hoe to make cleaning and after how much time need to change sand?

      Secondly now day PVC Slatted floor are also available did you use that and is this PVC slatted floors are available in Pakistan?

      BR

  127. Dear Rauf Gill Sahib,

    Plz. share ( if you can) where your goat farm is located and what is your plan whether to fatten the male sheeps/goats and sell or to have your own sheep/goat kids and then grow and sell.
    Have you taken some TEDDY GOATS also ? which other breeds you plan to add.

    Thanks for your valued input.

    Regards,

    1. Dear Fakher,

      My farm is in District Layyah. On Google Mapsif you search for β€œIbrahim Animal Farms, Layyah, Punjab”, you will be able to see the exact location.

      My plans are as follow

      1. Now I’m buying 100 male goats/sheeps, I’ll fatten these and sell on this year’s Qurbani Eid.
      2. Once I’ve completed my total of 100 animals, I’ll start buying female goats (pregnant or already have young kids) and my ultimate plan is that in 3-4 year time I should have 250-300 female goats (Inshallah) so I can prepare my own goat kids for meat and Eid.
      3. For next year’s Eid may be I’ll have 20-30 kids from my own goats and buy rest from market and Inshallah in 3-4 years time I’ll not need to buy any male goats from market.
      4. As far as breeds are concerned, I’m quite new to this field so I’m open to experiments. My initial plan is to buy local Desi goats, also goats from Rajanpur area and also teddy goats. As the time will pass I’ll concentrate on breeds that are more profitable.

      Currently I don’t have any teddy goats.

      Hope I’ve answered your questions. Also as I said, I’m new to this area so I’ll appreciate any good advice/tips from readers of this blog.
      Also I hope that Mr. Momekh won’t mind that I’m posting goat/sheep stuff on Dairy Farming forum but obviously goat/sheep give milk so it is a Dairy animal πŸ™‚

      Kind Regards

  128. Asalam o alakum

    I really appreciate the effort of the author and other people who brought their valuable experience for the novices like me out there… πŸ™‚

    Keep up the good work gentlemen…

  129. Thank u Momekh, Zubair, Zohaib and Naeem for appreciating my little contributions. We small farmers/enterpreneurs/businessmen dont have as many resources as many giants who have entered this field, but what we can have is innovation & sharing of knowledge which can close the gap between us & those big guns. Small dairy farms are SMEs (Small & Medium sized enterprises) & its the SMEs who are real engine for any country’s economy. So by helping each other, we are not just improving each others financially but also helping economy of this country. So plz keep sharing without inhibitions, specially the ones who are actually in the field.
    -Regards,
    Bilal Ch.

  130. Dear Abbas

    Thanks for sharing this valuable information regarding Nestle and the financing arrangements. I totally agree with you on the bank loans work through Nestle. Albeit I am not considering any bank loans due to being non-sharia compliant in nature, but the 1million Nestle loan has caught my attention. Are there any per-requisites and condition on this sort of interest free loan? and more so whats the payback arrangement?
    Highly appreciate it.

    Regards
    Zubair

  131. Can anyone help me as i am at the stage of building the sheds and need advice and ideas. I would appriciate if some one is willing to talk to me on the phone and provude his kind guidance.

    1. Brother I have a purpose build dairy farm map for 50 cows. If you are interested Just let me know. I can share it with you. mail me at [email protected]. I have just started this business and would like to share ideas and experience with you.

    1. Usama, if you can send the info to me, I will be happy to put it up here at the blog for everyone’s benefit… And thank you for your valuable contributions.

  132. Dear,

    I am planing to import 100 heads Australian cows for milk, any one can help me to send me complete feasibility for this project.

    [email protected]

    It will be very helpfull for me.
    Regards
    Ahmad

  133. I want to setup small domestic level dairy farm of 10 animals, so need to get detailed information and consultancy from Nestle Agri services department.
    Could anybody send contact details of Nestle representative. My email is [email protected]
    Regards.

  134. Assalam-o-alaikum,,,Bilal chaudhry am rizwan sahi from ireland am planing to move pakistan and start a dairy business in pakistan,,am from mandi baha-ud-din in pakistan i belong,s to a agricultre family but i would like to conceede this at first here that i realy have not much experince so that,s why plzzz help me,,, so here i need some help and information from you or any body who can provide me a information for am looking.so sir first of all i need to know if i start a dairy farm with 12 cow,s how much i,ll get profit in a month after the whole expen,s and remember we have our own 5 to 6 acre land,s in mandi baha-ud-din{GUJRAT} area,b,cuz if you clculate roghly milk quantity by 12 cow,s it,s around 240kg milk a day,,,b,cuz as far as i know soem cow,s milk average is 20kg a day,,,and if you multiple 20kg milk by 12 it,s equal to 240kg milk per day and after to multiple this 240kg milk by 60 rupees it,s comes out a 14400 rupees a day,,,now would you plzzz tell me after to take out the whole expend like wanda,,plus employes salary and the whole expends how much profit i,ll get in a month,,,and here is my email id [email protected]..and i would be realy greatful to you can give me your any contact number,,,
    thank you realy very much

    1. This is a comment for you Rizwan, left by one of our readers Ahsan Bashir:

      Dear Rizwan;Not that simple to have profitable Dairy Business in pakistan if you maintain quality and let the people have quality milk.There are so many hidden costs such as medicines for animals ,there prices fluctuation.Your capital regain .Since i had Dairy some times back and initially had profitable venture turned to be disaster because of my workers who went greedy and today the farm is closed.Shall start it soon with alot of changes made..

      Still i can give you detail run and feasibility on the amount you want to invest ,but get me some more details regarding land ,labour quality,technical institute availability ,mandi near by, general cost of cow in second lactation milking not less than 12-17 kg a day.

    2. Dear Rizwan!
      Sorry for taking that long to reply to u, just didnt visit this blog for long. My best advice to you is to please research alot on book and in the field before any such venture. Dairy is extremely complicated and management intensive business. “Devil is in the detail”, and in dairy no amount of detail is enough. ur calculation of 20ltr milk / cow is very simplisitc and far from ground reality. Cuz on average a cross breed cow gives peak milk between 15-17 ltr and then keeps declining after 3rd month. Then there r sickness and fertility factors to consider. So in reality if ur cows average 12 ltr of milk over 10 months lactation, even that isn’t so bad.
      A business based on cross breed cows should earn 3000-4000 per month per cow in my humble estimates.
      -Regards
      Bilal Ch.

  135. I found your website on google and I must say it is very informative.
    there are certain queries I have in this regard.
    What is the price of silage per kg available in the market ?
    What salary do you pay to the attendents / workers on the dairy farm?
    How many cows should you have to get profit from the dairy farm? assuming the land is owned by you.

    Regards
    Omar

    1. Thank you for your appreciation Omar.

      I have never bought from the market, so have no idea… but the cost WILL vary significantly from area to area.

      I pay between 4k to 10k. I do not have a qualified Vet on my payroll yet! I pay the vet about 1500 to 2000 depending on his visits (and his moods!! πŸ™‚ )

      The number of cows really is something you have to calculate yourself. If, for example, you have a running concern of farming, then bringing in even one cow will actually be profitable! (There will be no overheads and every animals comes with its own profit margins πŸ™‚ )

      Hope this helps.

  136. I did a simple calculation as below for a dairy farm only.
    Land owned
    Structure and building one time cost.
    Silage cost Rs 5k * 10(cows) * 25 (kg per cow) * 30 (days) = 37,500
    2 Workers cost pm approx Rs 35,000
    Vet visit cost pm approx Rs 5,000
    Utilities cost pm Rs 30,000
    total cost per month . 107,500
    revenue 20 (kg per cow) * 10 (cows) * 30 (days) * Rs 40 (per Kg) = Rs 240,000
    Profit approx for 10 cows: Rs 133,000

    Does this seem approximately ok ?

    Omar.
    P.S. I would like to meet you and discuss this. Please let me know your contact at [email protected]

    1. My friend I dont want to discourage u, but your calculations are very raw at best. Plz do a lot lot lot more research online and in the field before even thinking of starting a business as complicated as Dairy. Otherwise u will fall flat on face and break ur (financial) nose very badly. I hope u dont take my words to heart, cuz I just wanna advice u as best as possible.
      Regards
      -Bilal Ch.

    2. Thank you for your viewpoint. What do you suggest I start with to get more information?

    3. this is a good & outstanding business as well as hobby,intrust for a farmer..
      Mr.OMAR’s calculation is absolutely correct. this is very profitable& reasonable work in forming field..

  137. Dear Sir

    It was very very useful information. I want to start this business in Afghanistan. Could you please get in touch with me in my private email that where to buy some high quality cows in pakistan and bring them to Afghanistan?

    I would be gratefull.

    Regards

    1. Dear Elyas!
      I believe Sargodha region in particular and punjab province in general are good places to procure cross-breed cows.

      Regards
      -Bilal Ch

  138. salam all of you, i am sory for being absence for couple of days due some personal problems.
    i am wih you know
    dr saeed

    1. Hey doctor saab. Hope all’s well?

      Glad that you are back, your expertise were missed πŸ™‚ …

      Hoping to see you on the meetup too inshAllah ! (31st March – 4:30 PM at Garrison Golf Club)!! πŸ™‚

    1. salam dr saeed ,sir i want to know that i have started a dairy farm and i have dedicated 12 acre land for this that is very fertile and have great water availibilty .my question to you is is salage good for cows all round year or it will b given at the time of shortage of fooder,i can grow 2 crops of corn on 12 acres twice a year which makes it 24 acres of corn in a year but some one told me thats not fair with your animals as its not green fooder,and suggested to harvest on crop of corn for silage and rest on green fooder mix silage with green fooder.and my second question is how many animals i can keep having dedicated 12 acres of land for it thanks in advance

  139. Assalam-o-Alaikum

    Boss, may God bless you for opening up this blog. I desperately want to start up live stock as business and for this I need one to one guidance / advise to under take the project.
    I hail from Mianwali and have some land to spare for the job. Can you please guide me about :-
    a.The type of animals one should keep and their reliable procurement source?
    b.Their feeding and watering arrangements as well as practical health conservation tips before bring in the animals.
    c. A sketch / layout plan for such a farm for brain storming and bringing the general idea home.

    regards

    Yours sincerely

    Saad Ullah Khan

    1. Hello Dr!
      Here r the answers to your questions
      a) You shud keep cross breed LOCAL X FRESIAN/JERSEY as they offer best combination of heat & disease protection and milk
      b) Make silage/green fodder for next 6 months and make sure fresh water is available all the time
      c) Visit as many farms as possible and figure out which design suits ur environment the best
      Plz due extremely thorough research before you start, as if ur life depends on it…otherwise its very hard to succeed in Dairy business as its quite complicated and managment intensive.

      Regards
      -Bilal Ch

  140. Dear Sir

    Thanks for all very useful information.

    Any one can tell me, the enviroment for cow farming. I mean we are living in a place which in summer is around 45C temprature and during winter it snows.

    IS it a good enviroment for farming???? many people says NO it is not, the cows which are imported from Pakistan, they will die or sick during winter and you will loose asset.

    one more question? do you suggest a farming only to keep cows and to sell it to butcher people for meat????

    Regards

    Waiting to hear from experts……….

  141. Assalamo alaikum,

    Does anyone have experience dealing with consulting firms (like Solve Agri Pak). They claim that they offer comprehensive consultancies to people interested in starting dairy farms.

    What are the pros and cons of going through them ?

  142. salaam every one………i belong to sahiwal…….i want to start cows dairyfarming…….pleaz help me……wht is the price of a good cow which gives atleast 20 litter milk per day………pleaz reply….

    1. dear for 20 ltr per day milk you have to purchase fresion or jersey cattle its price is about 2.5 to 3 lakh

    2. Dear USman,

      20 litre cow is nearly 200,000 rupees if she has heifer (Female calve) then price is 250,000 rs

      good luck
      naveed adham
      03336663339

  143. I want to start Dairy farming business in professional way, I need suggestion.
    1. Location (temp control and cost effective land with easy access to Medicine and hospital).

  144. I m trying to gather information for dairy business. It is not easy business but my aim is do some thing in this business. I am living in London. My life is very different here. But now I need change. Any one help me thanks

  145. salam
    haroon asghar says:
    March 31, 2012 at 7:39 pm
    salam dr saeed ,sir i want to know that i have started a dairy farm and i have dedicated 12 acre land for this that is very fertile and have great water availibilty .my question to you is is salage good for cows all round year or it will b given at the time of shortage of fooder,i can grow 2 crops of corn on 12 acres twice a year which makes it 24 acres of corn in a year but some one told me thats not fair with your animals as its not green fooder,and suggested to harvest on crop of corn for silage and rest on green fooder mix silage with green fooder.and my second question is how many animals i can keep having dedicated 12 acres of land for it thanks in advance

  146. Hello everyone,
    I realy find this site useful, we moved to pk recently and trying to set up some thing. My husband is from abroad but I am from here I have got good knowledge of oprations of dairy farm business. Please can someone tell me where and how to supply because u cant go door to door for that. We are in rawalpindi area. Also I have notice in pk eople do not appriciate cow milk, then type of rate is going for bulk cow milk. Please help me
    Regards
    Maliha

    1. Nestle has a great collection in Punjab, besides smaller Milk packaging companies have collection setups in one area or the other…all u have to do is look.
      Secondly,its the milk production that is the hard part. If u make a dairy production setup around Rawalpindi/Islamabad, it shudnt be that much of a problem bulk-selling your milk to outlets. And yes, cow milk is not yet very sellable to domestic consumers in open form, however people happily buy packaged milk which almost always comprises cow milk.
      Regards,
      Bilal Ch.

  147. Aslaam alaikam to all, I am looking bit of information if anybody can tell methat where is collection company or pasturising plant around Rawalpindi or islamabad

  148. Dear All and Especially Momekh
    Asslamo Alaykum

    Very much impressed by the site and members comments and help. I am Shahid doing job and earning good halaal living Alhamdu Lillah. I belong to a small farming family. One of my brother (graduate in Economics) wanted to do dairy farming. About 10 years ago I managed to built a shed for him and purchased 4 holistein frasian cows from a farm in Islamabad and also a certified bull. All this investment was lost as my brother could not mange the farm and because at that time such a professional and devoted forum like this was not known to me. The bull got infected and later on was slaughtered. However the offspring of that bull were sold on exceptionally high rates. In our area only cross breed can survive. This is my personal point of view because of extreme temperatures in winter and summer.
    I still think that its a service to community if the breeds of the area could be improved. I am impressed by the way you are sharing your experiences and information and Insha Allah one day I will need your help in re-establishing my farm. Dairy farming has got the potential to self employ the people and to provide good milk to the community.

    Regards

    Muhammad Shahid

    1. Dear Shahid! Lucky for us, we dont need to rely on Bulls anymore. Very high quality semen of extra ordinary foreign Bulls is available for Artificial Insemination in Pakistan thru various companies.
      Regards,
      Bilal Ch.

    2. Dear Muhammad Shahid,

      Could you tell me your exact location of living bcz i am 2 interested in cattle farming.

      Thanks,
      Shahzad Malik
      Mob:0345-2102982

  149. Dear Bilal Ch.
    Salam,
    I want to start a dairy farm where can i get more information on dairy farming in PAKISTAN? and which city is suitable for the dairy farm? and is there enough demand of milk so i can sell the milk just after getting from a cow? if yes how? i m interested to have a farm in Karachi or Khairpur, is there any milk processing company that can buy the milk near these cities of Sindh? please send me a mail on my personal mail [email protected] so i can get your advise through mail. Momekh Edit: Please use the comments here as the answer to this question will benefit a lot of people as well! Thank you πŸ™‚
    Thanks

    1. Dear Ali! A dairy farm should be established at a place with good availability of green fodder & drinking water, and climate may better not be too extreme. Preferably it shud be close to a big city and have good road access so that u can get a better price for ur product.
      As for milk,find which milk packaging companies have collection network in ur area.I believe Engro has collection in Sindh besides others.Companies lift milk from ur doorstep depending upon milk volume.
      Regards,
      Bilal Ch

  150. asalams I want to start this business. My question is that imported austrailian cows are good or locall? please some one answer me or any contact number am confuse. and from where I can buy imported cows.

    1. dear your question was so simple i think u r joking with people austrailia breeds are best but they are much sensitive in summer there fore there handling is difficult and these are profit able its ur choice which one u keep but local breeds are best for small busness if u keep local breed then i advice u keep buffaloes

  151. Salaam Bilal ch,
    are you runing a dairy farm, if yes which part of punjab because I would like to visit a practical/ operationaly runing farm around rawalpindi.
    Thanks
    Regards
    Jabbar

  152. Any one on this forum having experience of the sexed semen from Altaf & Co. or Profarm to get the heifer calves? and how successful it is.

    1. I have the experience of sexed semen that was experimented at my farm by a private Vet Doctor. At the time of AI, the doctor said that the result will be 90%, it means more chances of getting a female calf. Luckily it went successful and we got a female calf last month.

  153. Hey Momekh,
    A really informative piece put forward by you,dear. I am from Karachi and want to establish a dairy farm in Gujranwala on our agricultural land. I would like you to suggest me the consultants and experts who can guide me on this and indicate possible financial cost. With the basic infrastructure, land and fodder available, I would like to invest on animals, storage, processing of fodder, waste removal and sterilization. However, the thing is I am planning to delve completely in the business and leave a good job; which means the risk is high so, need a very accurate guidance. Kindly, guide me with this.

    1. Me intend to build a new dairy farm in which the prime focus is to build a shed for cows. We have the required land under our own ownership & also have 3 Lakhs to build the same; however, we need the money to purchase cows. We have decided that whoever will purchase for us 20 Australian cows, we’ll repay him the lump sum within two years on monthly installments of 50,000 & will also make him our 50% partner in our farm business.We’ll look after the farm ourselves. Whoever will get us 20 cows bought, we’ll give him a cheque as a testimony ,equal to the cost spent on cows’ purchase. We’ll also write an agreement affidevit stating the 50% partnership of the one giving us loan since we dont want to get interest based loans from banks. We believe in pure business, free of any interest on loans that may spoil our good deeds. If any further agreement or proof is required in this regard,we are ready to serve for the same. We live in district Gujranwala village ‘Nounikey’ where our property is located & we desire to build our farm there. Pls advise us further in this regard. Looking forward for your swift response.

      Regards ,

      Mubsher Hassan
      Gujranwala Pakistan

    2. Talal Bhai have you started the farm or still thinking. same situation with me I am from karachi and planning to make a dairy farm in shahpur near sargodha. are there milk plants companies so i can do some kind of contract with them for milk selling security and buying 50 animals is an easy task or can make me crazy finding right animals.I have around 100 acres in jauharabad Dist khushab can that be used to make a 100 animal farm. where can be great quantity milk sold.

      answers will be helpful

  154. Aoa Dear all
    after the salient reading of this bolg i have started my farm in District charsadda alhamdu lelahh i have purchased 5 cows and searching for more 10 cows.
    by grace of GOD i complete my shade for 25 animal with following all the standards of Dr.Ashraf and some good teachers as i learn from MOMEKH ideas. i think this experience will lead me to a successful dairy farming professional.
    now i only need the proper techniques for the silage making and storing plz.

  155. Dear all
    Thanks for very useful information.
    I’m from Gujrat, and my village Sabowal is very near to city. I want to start a dairy farm and I’m unable to decide which animal I prefer cow or buffalo, because buffalo milk is easy to sale and almost at Rs 60 per Kg, cow milk is not more Rs 45 per Kg and not easy to sale.
    Can anybody give me the comparison of Cow Vs buffalo dairy form
    Thanks in advance

    Zahid Raza Ch.

    1. simply workout per ltr.cost and dry period for buffs and cows.
      Have seen v.good buff farms with two third animals dry.and seen good cow farms with one third dry animals.Buff ave 8,9ltrs and cow[local]16 to 17ltrs ave per animal.

    2. thanks dr saeed sb. and Naeem Malik for your kind information and specially momekh to provide us this informative environment. and really love the sincere comment of Bilal Ch.(I thing Mr. Bilal is on leave )

  156. hey everybody,
    well um really suprised to see that so many people are intrested in the same business, well i did a lot of research recently on many bussinesses and where to invest and this was only One thing where it just keeps getting better, i have more then 15 kanals of land near raawalpindi, and inshahAllah this december im starting my own farm,, this page was very useful and i look fwd for more ideas and suggestuions, thank you guys
    regards

  157. dear,
    For silage storage in three walled bunkers can we use sheds which are shell type 33’x66′ height almost 12′ and floor is of concrete?

    your comment awaited,

    regards,

    farhan

    1. salam dear farhan, for silage making we need complete pressing of fodder being ussed for silage to remove all air from it to maximize the fermentation process, if you make the roof it will hinder the pressing process which is to be done with tractor. and after complete pressing we need air tight covering of silage which again hinder by rooof, and its not ecnomical ,

  158. Dear Friends,

    I have some animals forsale first lactations near about 5 animals

    Best Regards,
    Naveed

    1. wat animals do u have for sale send me the price and wat kind of animal it is

  159. aoa dear all
    i have started my farm but from the 1st day i was bit by the Foot and mouth disease in my farm even on the 2nd day i started vaccination but it almost effect my 4 cow and one clave so any body help me in this regard what should i do further i started treatment but still the risk is high.

    1. Only precaution,This prob.used to come in summers only.Now year round.Make sure you have strict quarantine rules at your farm.Also sheep and goats are carriers.

  160. Asalm-o-alaikum
    it is so pleasent to know that Pakistan has all the
    youth who want to do , good for fellow pakistanies. im realy
    inpressed by the study , and the research you guys have done .
    i have been visting farms , in usa, no doubt jersey cows are the best
    for weather we have in pakistan , but if some one can get cross breed
    holstine+jersey that will be the best cow for farming , in pakistn,
    Good luck
    nasr

  161. salam dr saeed ,sir i want to know that i have started a dairy farm and i have dedicated 12 acre land for this that is very fertile and have great water availibilty .my question to you is is salage good for cows all round year or it will b given at the time of shortage of fooder,i can grow 2 crops of corn on 12 acres twice a year which makes it 24 acres of corn in a year but some one told me thats not fair with your animals as its not green fooder,and suggested to harvest on crop of corn for silage and rest on green fooder mix silage with green fooder.and my second question is how many animals i can keep having dedicated 12 acres of land for it thanks in advance would really appreciate an anser

  162. AOA to All,(Mohkam, Dr Saeed)
    I am a silent reader of this forum. Althoguh ths forum is very informatice and helpfull but there are some things i would like to draw your attention.if you can work on it it will save a lot of time and unnecessary queuries.
    1- If possible, all members having their own farms , should upload their farm videos for better understanding of newcommers.
    2- Many brothers are asking same questions again and again like sugesstions to start a business, breed etc.. so i think if you can make some sub-sections in your blog w.r.t topic will help lot in time savings.
    3- most important i can see only 1/2 names of organisations dealing with dairy like altaf & co etc, if possible please start a magazene, either monthly or after 2 or 3 month containing some detailed information will be a good thing, and for the start i think only soft form will be ok rather than paper format.
    my be i am asking too much in short time but if we all make some good sugesstions the result will be good.
    Looking forward for the sucess of all brothers.
    Long live Pakistan

  163. heloo Dr.Saeed / Momekh

    i am from lahore and im planning to start with a cattle farm.i have 14kanals of land near baedian road lahore.i want some true suggestions from regrading starting cattle farming as i am very much intretsed and this is my passion from a long time.
    first question is tht whther i should buy australian cows or local shaiwal cows,secondly how to design a cattle farmso that this hot weather cannot affect our animal.
    ill be very thankful to you if u guide me with this..ive been researching alot till now and im unable to come up with many things.wants some true suggestions

  164. Dear brother,

    I believe that the idea of having a Dairy oriented magazine is brilliant. This way we can see each others farms / animals pics and clips thus can get correct information and advice as well. Plz do consider this.

  165. Dear Sir,
    Me intend to build a new dairy farm in which the prime focus is to build a shed for cows. We have the required land under our own ownership & also have 3 Lakhs to build the same; however, we need the money to purchase cows. We have decided that whoever will purchase for us 20 Australian cows, we’ll repay him the lump sum within two years on monthly installments of 50,000 & will also make him our 50% partner in our farm business.We’ll look after the farm ourselves. Whoever will get us 20 cows bought, we’ll give him a cheque as a testimony ,equal to the cost spent on cows’ purchase. We’ll also write an agreement affidevit stating the 50% partnership of the one giving us loan since we dont want to get interest based loans from banks. We believe in pure business, free of any interest on loans that may spoil our good deeds. If any further agreement or proof is required in this regard,we are ready to serve for the same. We live in district Gujranwala village ‘Nounikey’ where our property is located & we desire to build our farm there. Pls advise us further in this regard. Looking forward for your swift response.

    Regards ,

    Gujranwala Pakistan

  166. Dear Sir,

    I want to buy a colling fans for my dairy farms , can someone send me the contactat details of the colloing co.

  167. aoa sir i m from lahore i want to get the knowledge of something actually i ve an investment of 15000 to 20000 and i want k mein koi calf ly ky hissay py dy dn…can u guide me?
    coz i want to start my hobby as well as business

  168. hello momekh bahi, bilal ch and everyone around. I m waqar from peshawar…before i started a dairy farm i use to visit this blog on and off but then i struck in the tough activities of my farm and cudnt able to follow the blog and share my experience …

    the idea of starting a dairy farm was generated dramatically by one one my friend who was in search for one drop of pure milk heheh :P…. now by the grace of god i have 25 animals and the number is still growing on with my further investment and profit from animals on fields..i have started from 13 animals and with ZERO exp back in december 2011…i dnt own any agri land and got a farm on rent…it doesn’t sound profitable at the beginning and i thought i may loose my invesntmrnt but then ( my gawala said to me one day..aik admi aik carore haar gaya and aik admi dil har gaya ) i didnt loose hope and carried on….

    Momekh bahi and bilal bhai after biting by many sellers ( as u must know their nature of working and standards ) my mind clicked to approach you for guidance and helping me out in buy animals…i have a plan to buy some more animals in july…soooooooooo m looking forward to u guys and hope for the best….

    Regards
    Urban Dairies πŸ™‚

  169. salamz to all my friends

    I want to start dariy farm in kpk swabi . i hav 30 kanals of land but i dnt no how start this business bocz i hav no contacts in this field some one guide me plz . i want 2 buy 8

  170. A.A all of U guys,
    Doe,s the Momekh,s Dairy Farming Guide any use full, anybody bought it?
    And the last question to Momekh if the intro price coming back on the guide by any chance.
    I have not started my farm yet but just reading around the like minded peoples stories. W.A

    1. I have approved this comment with hopes that we all will get some honest feedback for the Guide as well.

      The feedback I personally get is that the Guide has really benefited the buyer. But let’s see what comes here… πŸ™‚

    2. Hello Shehzad

      I am reading The Guide i plan to finish it this wk end, will put my feed back here. But uptill now i found it very interesting, encouraging, promising. It talks about different options to handle the situation of ” Initiating your dairy launch”. Normally you would find experts & seniors listing up all horrid issues and problems. Rarely would anyone share the options to handle. Mohammad is the only person, among many whom i met, who generously shared this info with us. Gur ki baat koi koi batata hai mere bhai.

      The benefits of this guide depends on your Perception.

      Regards

    3. A.A,
      Thank U Momekh for ur reply but my intro price question is still there…? Shukria again.
      Any idea on the cattle rearing (cows and buffaloes i.e NILI RAVI) and then selling off, rather than farming them for milk?… is it less hassle for the starter like myself, or is it the same?
      All comparisons (likes/differences) welcome.

  171. what i would like to know is that what is the future of the dairy farming in pakistan?? is it getting too saturated and which would mean that in future the price of milk is likely to fall? or if it has the capacity to expand?

  172. Salaam everyone.
    Its great to see so many eager and self motivated people here. I hope Inshallah everyone’s dreams become a success story.
    We, ( that is my wife and I ) have done our tour of duty in life and both amicably have came to the conclusion, that going back to the basics in country farming is deffinatly a path to peace.
    Having spent our entire lives in London, and obviously going into farming is like fish out of water, or even visiting Pakistan was another experience in itself. Brother Momekh done a splended job in relating and sharing his start up ( Inshallah he will succeed ).
    I think the momentious task is finding decent, honest people to work on the farm. We are Inshallah startng a goat, beef and dairy farm in Fetah Jang in December 2012 and you may correctly think we’re jumping into the deep end,but I think we should all do it! One small step for man and one giant leap for mankind!
    Thats not to say, one should refrain from aquiring knowledge and go in blind, but it does not matter how much one plans and re-plans, you will evedently stumble and make mistakes and learn. I say to all …. Say Bissmillah and start.
    Having visited various farms this year and witnessing some sights which I think it best not to elaborate any further, I would ask all to look after your animals as you would maintain yourself. Keep the enviroment clean like you would a mosque. And further, be honest as an angel and thats the formula for success, Allah will do all the planning for you!!
    Best of luck
    Danial
    [email protected]

    1. Thank you Danial. Loved your thoughts.

      Would love to visit your farm when it’s ready for a cup of tea perhaps. πŸ™‚

      I wish you all the best.

      A lot of people join this blog thinking that we only talk about dairy farming. I want to take this opportunity to remind everyone that the idea behind a business, any business, is to support your life. Not the other way around. Be creatively self employed to live a wholesome life. πŸ™‚

      God bless and rock on broda! πŸ™‚

      1. Salaam to all the brothers and sisters.

        Momekh, just give me a call when your around Islamabad for that cup of tea, but make sure you bring some wellies with you! lol

        I think i managed to train my off -spring in the art of self sufficiency, and lo and behold! I’m a free man! (God knows how long this joyful freedom will last in Pakistan). Anyway, will be arriving in Pakistan Inshallah next week, so need plenty of your good dua’s.

        Yesterday, I called a friend in Islamabad to pick me up from the airport, and he was far more curious as to why i had purchased this agricultural land and whether i was intending to build my home in the wilderness. ( I think he was implying politely that i had actually gone insane ). So, I put his inquisitive mind at ease and said I intended to keep animals. After a moment of silence, he replied that in Pakistan there is nothing but animals and certainly i was on the right track! I only realized what he meant an hour later!lol

        By the way brother Momekh, that cowboy hat of yours is awesome, it really does credit you.

        See you soon Inshallah in good health. My dua’s and best wishes to everyone.

    2. Brother Danial it is so heartening to know that people like you are coming back to Pakistan and considering it a good opportunity for your livelihood. Pakistan is a great country and has the potential to allow progress and prosperity to its inmates. Brother i have a small dairy farm of my own and am running it since a little less then 3 yrs. My only advice to you is to first own some piece of land for the guaranteed fodder for your animals for complete year and dont go for rented land. Start with Cows first and then goats, may be after few months when you get some experience of animals care you can enter in this venture.
      Wish you all the best.

    3. Salaam to everyone.
      Thank you Aamir Roy for being so sincere and for your time. Your words of wisdom have now been engraved!

      Actually a couple of deals in purchasing fodder land have unfortunately gone sour. Apparently, there’s some sought of blind gold rush in Fateh Jang’s agricultural land ( All connected to some new airport ), there’s people trying to sell land that does not even belong to them!
      On our existing land we have started water boring, so we need everyone’s strong dua’s for endless sweet water.
      This month we had a great harvest of corn on this particular land
      ( First time ever and even though still being here in London, it’s a wonderful feeling). I understand about 20% of it was stolen, its mind boggling and sad, but perhaps brother Momekh is right, the adventure continues! I ask Allah to keep me in the company of the rightous .
      Wishing you peace and harmony.
      Danial
      [email protected]

  173. Hi Momekh,
    I am currently doing a job. but now I am seriously thinking about starting a job initially from low level and dairy farm is my first choice. I am living in Gujrat. Please suggest me that will it be a good choice to start a dairy business while doing a full time job or not?

    1. If you are really like cattle farming kindly tell me your exact location and space of land ?

      Regards,
      Shahzad Malik
      Mob: 0345-2102982

    2. hi, ur good idea in farming,if u start farming business minmum 15 num of cow, wanna lke in detail send me mail,

  174. Dear Momekh
    I found your blog very informative for those who are new and want to start new dairy form. I am also interested and want want some information. I found that in this field the people who are running farms are not cooperative, they do not share there information and their sources. I want to visit any farm which is cooperative and share some basic information about infrastructure of the farm.
    Is there any body included your farm.
    Please help me in this regard
    Ghazanfar Ali

  175. *** Animals for sale at Eastern Farms ***
    We are selling a number of cows/buffalos from our existing herd. All the animals are in good health and have been taken care of since the beginning.
    A few of them have recently given birth & some will give birth within sometime.
    Anyone interested can contact us at our facebook page;

    https://facebook.com/EasternFarms
    Cell #: 0345-4266642

  176. Dear Momekh,

    Mashallah you are doing fine work really appreciate you for this.

    I have in Mind Some Question You or any one interested in given answer is highly obliged.

    Q1- In the areas where people normally used Buffalo milk what strategy you suggest for open a dairy firm start with 10 animals? ( Areas liks Rahim Yarkhan and Sadiqabad surroundings)

    Q2- Is there any Company near Above mention areas buying Milk (like Nestle) ?

    Q3- In your whole blog i search for the details of contract with the companies (Like Nestle) were not found. Could you or any one will provide the details of contract (like Contract qualification, Milk yielding minimum qty, Rate and etc)?

    Q4- Reference to my Q1 some people mix milk of Cow with buffalo milk .. is it a right thing? or if yes what is the ratio of mix ( like 4 buffalo with 1 cow milk)?

    I m waiting for your kind reply…May Allah bless you in your business.

    Kind Regards.

  177. Sallam everyone,

    Brother Momekh keep up the good work buddy! I did purchase your e-Guide for dairy farming and it was to the point! Really enjoyed reading it. One thing I wanted to check with everyone here is that what is the “actual” cost of getting a cow pregnant using imported semen?

    I understand that it takes about 2.5 doses for the cow to get pregnant on avg each year,but how many straws does this require? and how may doses are needed and what is the complete cost per animal for using AI with exotic bull semen.

    Thanks,

    Imran

    1. that is a very important, and often overlooked question, Imran. You’ve heard right… and each dose costed me approx 6000 so that’s almost 15000 per animal per lactation. And even then there are no guarantees. A lot depends on the technician and the health of the cow as well. I now try 3 times with heifers that have grown up on my farm and with all others, I try 2 times. That’s my current method. When all else fails, we use a bull and that is not a good thing for the farm. Unless of course you take the BEST solution and get your hands on a good bull!

      And yes, thank you for the appreciation of the eBook Imran πŸ™‚

  178. Dear Momik & Bilal Ch.
    Doing fascinating work here
    & providing really useful info who is interested in this business like me. I
    am living in Karachi and fed up with the life of
    that killing city and planning to move back to my home city Sargodha. I would like to visit some good
    farm near Sargodha can u recommend some of them & if it’s not bothering you
    can I visit your farm and suggest me the animal should I purchase as the temp in summer is 40+ can HOLSTEIN & FRIESIAN survive
    in that hot weather and have any ideal which companies have milk collection center
    in sargodha.
    [email protected]

  179. Thanks for sending all detail recently i want Calf of 3 to 5 months old if any person knows then tell me.

    Regards,
    Shahzad Malik
    Mob:0345-2102982

    1. Dear,
      AoA,

      Hope you will be fine by the grace of Almighty Allah.
      I am Yasir, I have seen your query regarding the requirement of Calves. I am running a Meat Cattle Farm. I can provide you your required number of Calves at some good reasonable price. If interested please call me on 0333-5228401

  180. How to start this business in Chakwal (Near Balkassar Motorway). What type of cows are mostly recommended in this region.

    Asad

    1. A.o.a.
      Dear Asad, i also belongs to Chakwal you can ask any question about cattle farming on my mobile 0345-2102982

      Thanks,
      Shahzad Malik
      Mob:0345-2102982

  181. AOA.my name is Ali Abbas.want to start this bussiness.i have read and heard all about it and planned to start.if anyone can help or suggest me the good company or people then i will prefer them.my location is jhang chiniot road. Contact info;0323-6726690.
    thank you.

    Regards,
    Syed Ali Abbas Naqvi.

  182. Dear Aoa hope u will be fine.what wil happen of cows in stroming weather under this type of shed.how this low hight n light weight shed can prevent animals from extremely hot weather.Now a days people r thinking about controled environment sheds in dairy business also.

  183. Dear Momekh Bhai, your blog is very inspiring and after smeda feasibility report your blog is very incorrigible.after being a silent visitor for months I’m writing to get your help to start a successful dairy farm. I am considering to start dairy business in Jauharabad Dist. Khushab with capacity of 100 animals. I have around 75 acres of land there. what are the difficulties in selling milk. which milk plant companies collect milk from my area and for door collection what is the required quantity. Nurpur Milk plant is 45 km from my land. scope getting good animals and procedure to get milk plant company to bind them in contract to collect milk. what are the requirements of milk plant in quality of milk. what is the price per liter now a days a farmer get.

    detailed answer on selling milk will be helpful

    1. As u plan to have a big setup, big companies like Nestle will be happy to get your milk from farm door. and u’ll also get better rates. They will pay you above 45 for that. u can also try to sell milk in the city, but thats a whole separate operation.
      However, the most important thing is average milk of animals you purchase and how long in lactation they keep giving good milk. So be very very careful about that, bcuz most farms fail just bcuz of this reason.
      Regards
      Ahmad Bilal

  184. This is an interesting piece.Thank you. I am interested in setting up a diary farm.i live in Karachi do not have any connections or infrastructure/ land in Punjab.
    What is the estimated financial outlay to start afresh including land and has anyone done economic feasibility. What is the best place to set up the farm.

  185. dear i have 25 acre agri land in Gharo and wants to start dairy farming, but i need finance for it. kindly guide me from where i could acquire a loan or grant from any institutiion and how.
    regards.
    nadir zuberi

  186. Hi, i wanna start a dairy farm tell me if you have any info that how run the farm and how can v maintain the farm and where v buy from good animals?

  187. i want to purchase bichry ( 50 nos ) if any one can provide me in sialkot .. contact me on 03232021212

  188. Hey it is wonderful blog, interesting i am from gilgit baltistan, i would like to start business means dairy forming, still confuse either it will work or not over there, any one can help me out, currently i am doing a job i Saudi Arabia…Thank you.

  189. Asalam-wa-alaikum Momekh,

    I live in Karachi, & intend to (infact almost final & ready to go In 2~3 days), a dairy farm in Lahore, initial idea is to start with 25~30 milking cattles i.e, Buffaloes & Cows, farm will be situated at Thokar Niaz baig.

    It will be just a begining & if plans go right I’ll see a heard to 75~100 cattles in a year.

    Please guide me some points to take care initially not to jeoperdize the planning and get my target successfully.

    Please also advise me your cotnact number, as I’ll be in Lahore in next 3~4 days & i’ll be glad to pay you a visit at your farm (if possible)

    Await.

    Thanks
    Arshad

  190. I wish to start the dairy farming, currently I am running an export knitted garment organization at Faisalabad. I am basically agricultural engineering graduate, and have own family agriculture land of 25 acres cultivated land at Guttwala near to city of Faisalabad. If any body can support me , pls. contact me either thru e-mail [email protected]

  191. it is not possible? Many people leave it dairy farm your sarvat app ko zaleel kar kay rakh deen gay difficult due to sarvants am i right?

  192. yi sab paractically possibale nahi hay sarvant??????? App ko maza chakha dheen gay no no no dairy is not a bussinus no one should do this i have very very bad exprince d ont do this ever

    1. Aap un ko ZARA behter salary offer karte aur profit share karte to result diffrent hota
      YA PHIR AAP SUB UNN PER CHORE KAR KHUD MOUJ KARTE RAHE

  193. Friends AoA. I would like to start this cattel farming business. I have few queries and need some advice. What would be the best number of cows to start with. And is it more profitable to start with the business with cows or buffalows. What would be the price of a good Australian cow? Many thanks

    1. Hi,

      Me and my friend living in U.K. starting new business (Dairy Farming) ASAP near Rawalpindi, We looking forward to more people who might help us or they need any financial support or any help please reply me
      Thanks,

    2. Dear Iffy,
      I have a small dairy farm containing 2 Cows and 4 Buffaloes .
      Its working fine mean my animals are of very good breed and i have very good average of milk……….
      Now i want to extend my farm and need to buy more animals. I want some financial support if possible but not on interest on Islamic basis.

  194. Dairy farming is a bushiness which is very difficult and time consuming…main beneficiary are the milking companies. Dairy farmers must have their own organization to make a pressure group and get maximum benefit to the dairy farmers.

    1. I am trying to start a dairy farm in Karachi as well, lets share the research and work collaboratively.

  195. Hello everyone,
    what should be a good initial investment on dairy farm??
    I don’t have shortage of land, (some 1800 canal of agricultural land in south Punjab belongs to my family) but i want to put my own investment on envisioned dairy farm. Although, i have shortage of cash right now but i am earning good through my professional career, i am looking at around PKR 2.5 million of initial investment. is that enough, or should i wait till i manage more investment. Just need a very rough idea. Thanks in advance

  196. salaam to every one
    I am running a cattle/ dairy farm. Due to extensive hot weather at Rahimyaarkhan ,Australian or Sahiwal breed cant survive here. Only cholistani breed survives but this breed give very less milk. Can any one suggest me any breed which can survive in hot,dry weather and can give better results. Regards,

  197. Hi All,

    I really love the idea of self-employment as some said “If you dont start start building your dreams, someone will hire u to build theirs.” I just wanted to share some information regarding Vaccination of cows. Various studies have shown association of less productivity and infertility in cows with vaccination. Kindly check this link http://var/web/site/public_html.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21676477

    Regarding vaccination it is also alarming to find that even for humans they have many side effects. In USA vaccine injury compensation act has been passed in 1986. Kindly do some research.

    One last thing, plz do not sell your milk to BIG MILK COMPANIES. These companies destroy all water soluble vitamins of heating to very high temperatures. Also these companies reduce fat soluble vitamins.

    Best of luck to all of you for earning Halal Rizk.

    Dr. Syed Khurram Raza Naqvi
    [email protected]

  198. can someone guide me about the disposal of cow milk in Karachi?
    I am interested in the answers of following questions;
    1. To whom we can sale the Cow Milk? (Since it is not popular for domestic use)
    2. how much roughly the per liter selling price of cow milk in comparison of the Buffalo in wholesale?

    1. Dear Najeeb,
      There are so many private companies in Pakistani market
      (like Nestle)to buy the cow milk.
      Once you find a reasonable buyer of your milk, this potential buyer would better answer your second question.

  199. Am working in dubai last 5 year now i want to start a buzziness in pakistan i need ur gentel advice and info about this buzziness in june i will leave dubai n vizat ur form also i will wait ur email.Ak.

  200. dear sir,
    I want to start dairy farm in karachi. i need ur advise regarding investment and proper location for dairy farm

    Fazal Mehmood
    0332 3035497

  201. Hey there momekh well i have seen all the information regarding animals and buying and selling and idea of dairy and much more but can we get contacts of ur ustaads or ustaad -e- mohtrum got to visit their farms to get practical information and got to see animals and look forward for new ideas which we dont have at our own places and about animals breeding and much more pls do let us know about those contacts … thanks brov…

    1. Dear Sir. I want to started the cow form house in K.P.K terbela ghazi plese help me and give the best idea for started in cow forme house. please tell me how much need investment for this forme .03315684465

  202. Assalamoaleekum to everyone on this site.
    My story is not different than yours .want to self employee. Be in north america since my 20 years of age done everyjob from scratch . Recently working with my own self fabricated food truck in calgary alberta . Couples of question before jump into dairy industry .Q1.who many animal andwhat type of land and animals with minimumand secured investment(less risk).
    who large land required who much investment except land required. i love to work hard but in halal way does not matter work in GUJJAR way OR COWBOY way JOB IS JOB. Like to work out and knowledge . Personally trying to go back home with my family and not to engage any job or bussiness except creative like this . May ALLAH bless all of us who are struggling in it Any act include interest,haram ,and not according to SHARIAH involve in it please let us know . Because want to make halal money not haram .Love to all brothers and sisters and specially MOMEK. ALLAH HAFIZ.

    1. You are in good company Asif! I wish yo all the best and inshAllah, what you aim for, it is very much possible! I want my life to be an example of that. I know you do too. God bless and good luck, friend!

  203. Asalm-o-alaikum
    it is so pleasant to know that Pakistan has all the
    youth who want to do , good for fellow pakistanies. im really
    impressed by the study , and the research you guys have done .

    i have bought this E-Book its really informative… may ALLAH JEE give reward to Mr.Momekh for this help…..
    i m interested in opening a Dairy Farm… but have no experience but inshALLAH ALLAH jee help me as do always.. so we all who r getting to this industry will get success and do better for our Pakistan……..!
    jazakALLAH

  204. Salam Alikum

    Can somebody please tell me how much money will be enough to start dairy farming at this time. Will be much appreciated.

  205. Dear brothers,
    Dairy farming now a days has become a bit difficult and ignored by the Government side. Milk doesn’t carry any good price in the market. Milk collecting companies like Nestle, Olpers, Millack etc are offering very low prices which don’t even meet the expenditures of your dairy farm. Some thing must be done to raise the milk price and reduce immense profit stolen by the middle man/companies from Dairy farmers. Government is sleeping on this issue and will keep doing it unless woken up by force. So think over it give your views focusing on this issue without wasting any more time. Some via media must be found otherwise people in this business are thinking on other lines and this is true.

    1. Dear Aamir

      We can not force big players to raise the milk price .. its impossible …
      what is alternative? we need to reduce our cost of production…cost per litre…..
      Dairy in PAK is not subsidised like USA where price is set every month so farmers are relaxed that they will get a confirm price. In Pakistan,we are following US style farming and respect US genetice that have been designed for high input/high output and their reproduction is just BAD.
      In NZ, our dairy industry is not subsidised and our genetice are more profitable that produce low cost per litre.

      Genetics are the most important component in your dairy business, go for a profitable cow not for the cow that produce more milk but left less margin.

      e.g if a big cow producing 30 litres of milk needs 25 litres to cover its cost and left 5 litres net margin, whereas a small size cow producing 20 litres milk need 10 litres to cover its cost and left 10litres net margin, WHICH IS A PROFITABLE COW?

  206. information given is very beneficial,but where to get good animals from southern punjab.Kindly help me out as i am running a dairy farm but difficult to find good breed.Thanx

  207. First of all thank you for providing great contents online, I think this is one of the best source of info related to dairy farm business. I learned a lot from the contents and wanted to explore a bit more. I am contemplating to start a small to medium size modern dairy farm business but I lack education/experience in this field. I need to know

    1. Land requirement/location (I am evaluating 4-6 Kanals near Islamabad)
    2. Breed of animals and will it be Cows or Buffaloes
    3. Feed (grow your own Vs buying from the market)
    4. Essential equipment and staff.
    5. Building the Shed & milking parlour
    6. Last but not the least, selling milk (Gawala’s Vs the milk shops Vs the door to door delivery)

    I would dearly love an advise on how to start this project.

  208. Dear’s ,
    as per my understanding information’s are summarized because Dairy Farming is my family business from decades , its not so easy how is it explained because on few lines it shows a positivity that dairy farming is good business and more over in few lines its written that to find a good quality animal & people it is an hardest job , because with passion you will try to enter in different places without having any kind of friends it is dangerous specially know a days so just look up in cities or villages near by cities avoid entering in KACHA”S it is dangerous and to get good quality animals contact live stock professionals so they will arrange good quality animals , Know for trusted personnels work hard ? it is questionable know a days this is very difficult .

  209. To do business you need a commercial brain ………. funds are secondary things…..

    i started with only PKR 150,000 now i own 30 animals in 3 years…..

    dedication and commitment…………… thats what you need…

    1. Dear Saaad

      Can you please bit more expand on your dedication and commitment..would be interesting to know you strategy how you have acheived 30 animals in just 3 years time and with a very low investment..

      Irfan

  210. Sir, your essay on dairy farm is good. I want to start it with 4 to 5 cows. How much amount is required for starting this business. Would you like me to guide?

  211. i need to be start cattel farm for meat so what we do for that who one provide us cattel for meat we want to prepare for EID and others time too specialy for eid so how can we start and where i get my require animals i want to start that work ase try minimum of arrangements if i feel its realy profits me than i can invest more so please guide to me what i do i have a farm house and agricultre farms so guide to me for my good business

    1. sir my name is qaiser Abbas about dairy information or required animal you can contact with me 0313-7977247

  212. Mr. Mehmood Khan please tlle write now, Iam looking information about dairy afrmining. Some question to you give me ansewer.
    1) business stared with woh many cows?
    2)what is the life of one cow in dary business?
    3) my need Rs.125,000/- per month with loan istallment kindly advoice me this good me i started this business with loan?
    4) location of my business in Karachi.
    Kindly give answer my question as soon as posible

  213. I have 50 acer land in Jhelum near river Jhelum how I can start this business, and also I have 4 acer in Lahore one acer is with boundary wall please help me regarding this business and main thing money I don’t have.

  214. Dear Muhammad Khan,
    Thanks for sharing your hard earned experiences on this proj.I had already learnt about your venture in this field and known your name” Momekh”,but could not contact.Your candid opinion about procurement of locally bred cows has f